Posted on 03/09/2006 9:02:17 AM PST by prairiebreeze
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I'm sure the UAE will reconsider after the sudden loss of billions.
You're too dumb to realize the SAME people who had access to the ports YESTERDAY have them TODAY.
You and your misinformation have accomplished nothing, except finally showing the extreme right wing of this party for what it is.
It will be quite funny to watch the hysteria again, but for a different reason.
The schills for this agreement keep telling us that we should trust the UAE, and that the UAE is different from all of the other Islamic dictatorships, simply because they allow so much foreign investment, and have an affinity for some quasi-capitalist practices.
Whether or not a country is capitalist is not relevant in my opinion, if it has none of the other characteristics of a genuinely democratic, stable, pluralistic free nation.
The UAE was just condemned by the U.S. State Dept., and has the same scale of freedom-perhaps not quite as bad-as Saudi Arabia.
That's not what I would consider an "ally."
Hey don't confuse people with facts.
Conversation over, jpsb. You can't be taken seriously...........at least not by a military supporter like me.....
We have the ability to stop them. It has nothing to do with a port in Dubai.
Taking the UAE out of the picture (as far as our presence there) will limit that ability. That's the point of having the UAE.
It's not working, if that's the case. Iran magically circumvented our steel curtain in Dubai and is building nuclear weaponry anyway.
"Take a look at the map and see where the UAE is relation to the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran said they were going to "shut down". Then you'll see the extreme advantage of having a presence *exactly there*. "
How will this stop Iran from launching a nuclear missile at Israel? And how does NOT having it prevent us from firing off a nuclear missile from a sub outside the gulf if Tehran decided do just that?
I understand what you're saying, but we have a massive base of operations in Baghdad already. You think Iran isn't a little queasy about that? Dubai won't make them any queasier. We can drive our tanks right over the border and go straight to the Capital.
And if that wasn't enough, you also have another position and side to launch attacks upon Iran, besides from within Iraq. We're tied down in Iraq whereas we're not tied down in the UAE.
You make a good point here, although, let's face it, Iran would love to have control of Dubai all the same. I HIGHLY doubt UAE will actually tell our military to go home, whatever business punishment they try to inflict.
Principles. I am left wondering how a man of principles ever got elected to office in this country much less to Commander in Chief. It won't happen again soon after this.
By my count, this is the third time this "group" here on FR has managed to divide this forum and stampede and "leaders" of this party into doing something REALLY stupid because of votes.
Terri.
Miers.
Now this, the most dangerous of them all.
I suspect they will be back for more, as they seem to have a need to destroy Bush, et al., in order to take back the party.
"What is it about Dubai that bedevils its few supporters?"
The question has been asked. But I've never seen an answer that made sense.
Follow the money
Follow the power grab
Follow the payback for unspoken debts
Follow the Bushbot leaders
I guess we can still spend time correcting errors.
There are U.S. subsidiaries that have leases for terminals in ports n the USA. These companies were bought over time by other companies, and currently are owned by P&O, a foreign stockholder-held company. Nobody knows here who the stockholders are, it could be that Saudi Arabia is a majority stockholder and nobody here would know the difference (they aren't).
When P&O stockholders wanted to sell their company, they put it on the open market, much like you might advertise your car for sale.
Only two companies made a bid. If you were selling your car, it would be like only a muslim and a skinhead showed up.
DP World bid the most, and so P&O accepted their offer. There were no american companies who even CONSIDERED making an offer, because there was no U.S. company who was in a position to by P&O, a 6.8 BILLION DOLLAR deal.
Now, DP World is going to sell off the US subsidiaries that operate the terminal contracts. That is a SMALL PART of the entire deal. They apparently hope that some company has enough money to buy out that part of the P&O company from them -- their offer is contingent on them not losing money on the deal.
It remains to be seen if there is a U.S. company willing to buy the businesses. What if no US company makes a bid? The House passed a bill which would require DP WOrld to sell even if nobody was buying. Maybe you could have offered a buck and owned a major shipping company.
In other words, the government of the US was going to force the sale of an asset to a US person without regard to whether anybody wanted to buy.
Which nobody did. However, I imagine there is a company who sees this as a useful thing to do now, and will step up. Maybe microsoft, they have some money ;->
If every foreign company tried to divest every US holding at once, there wouldn't be enough money in US company hands to buy all the assets, and our asset base would crash with our stock market.
We have been living on foreign investment. This was congress trying to interfere in the market.
They could do it... at least they have the tech and the trucks.
First of all, that's an oxymoron.
Secondly, I'm in agreement with over seventy percent of the American public, so I don't see how my stance could be characterized as "extreme" in any case.
You and the thirty percent of the public that are living in a hermetically-sealed bubble-issuing paeans to the Bush administration, even as a growing portion of this country becomes disenchanted with it-are the ones who are out on a limb.
Are you referring to 9-10 principles or 9-11 principles?
Calling Peter King??? Calling Peter King?? You have a spanking coming! Come out of the girls' bathroom with you pants down and assume the position! Calling Peter King!
One more note: Dubai, as a financial capital, would suffer greatly if Iran blocks Hormuz.
They will NOT ask our military to leave.
That dispute was due to some trafficking in young boys as camel jockeys and the UAE has since addressed the problem to our satisfaction and the issue has since been been dropped.
But it has been presented as a current problem on this forum and elsewhere to affect the port facility sale by the democrats.
Really stupid....
How far can the hatred of the left and the far right for President Bush go? How far?
The different sides call him different names, but their goal is the same..........to destroy the President........and they don't seem to care if the security of the country goes down with it.
Quite an alliance we have here, isn't it?
What a dumb statement; just dumb. Is that the same 70 percent that believe abortion should be legal?
You and the thirty percent of the public that are living in a hermetically-sealed bubble-issuing paeans to the Bush administration..
Careful now, your agenda is showing.
even as a growing portion of this country becomes disenchanted with it-are the ones who are out on a limb.
Only because you believe and push the LIES; without lies, you have nothing.
If you were somebody whose opinion mattered, I'd be worried.
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