(School) Board votes down evolution analysis

cnn/ap ^ | 3-10-06

[LouAvul]

Government brainwashing at work.

You see, as long as we brainwash kids into thinking they came from animals, then they will act like animals.

And, everybody knows, animals obey the nearest master.

Time to abolish public/gubmnt thought control institutions.

[JamesP81]

Ahhh, the community school board. One of the last havens of left-wingers and secularists.

[curiosity]

Breaking crevo news.

[curiosity]

You see, as long as we brainwash kids into thinking they came from animals, then they will act like animals.

I don't see how that follows.

[JamesP81]

Time to abolish public/gubmnt thought control institutions.

Darned right. The government needs to keep its hand off the schools. Separation of School and State: it's a good idea.

[airforceF4]

Baloney. ID is not a theory, it's a belief.
And, BTW, although I have no training in Physics, I wonder about that 11th dimension business connected to string theory. Let's put that up for a vote, too. Let's make sure that all of science goes up for a popular vote [sarcasm is intended], regardless of where that take us in the future. and we wonder why we're beaten by students overseas.....

[JamesP81]

Uh-oh. PH has been pinged. Civility is out the door. I wonder how many posts before someone compares Christians to the Taliban or Iranian Mullahs?

[TOWER]

Why is it that only evolution suffers from "bottom up" protests. Normally debates about a scienctific theory take place amoung experts in the topic. Then it filters down to the research level, then the college level, then the high school level, and so forth. Why are IDers insisting that for evolution this process work the other way around? Is it because IDers can't debate real experts, so they just go straight to the kids? That's very cowardly.

[dhuffman@awod.com]

NO. Neither 'the chilldruun' nor many FReepers are capable of critically evaluating evolution/creation. One requires a particular statement of faith and the other an incompatible and contrary statement of faith. It's like (analogous to) a photon as wave and particle, it is both/neither but which depends on the experimental observation. Or the holy triune. My tagline applies as well to FReepers as progressives.

Democracy is the rule of fools by fools. American suffers from cacocracy.

[Always Learning]

I've just got to ask. Without knowing the source (it had absolutely nothing to do with evolution or ID tho'), do you agree or disagree with the following finding:

"The Task Force finds that the most reliable information is produced by recognized, respected professional organizations which adhere to a strict standard of objective, peer-reviewed scientific study and which represent the consensus of the scientific community."

[curiosity]

Evolution linked to communism placemarker.

[TOWER]

Great... the classic evos are communists bit...

By the way, real science is capitalistic. The more correct a theory is, the more likely that it will be useful, and more people will conduct research into it.

Interesting how it's the IDers that are trying to use the government to force ID into schools. Rather like how a communist would do it...

[PatrickHenry]

Evolution Ping The List-O-Links

A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 350 names. See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped. To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit, and How to argue against a scientific theory.

[M203M4]

Again highlighting that private schools/homeschooling would solve this problem entirely. Let the people who don't want to learn science learn babble instead (flat earth, 5000 year old earth, fossils are tools of satan, quantum mechanics is secular-speak for Jesus, etc). That way, they only destroy their own education. They want to stay pre-enlightenment, great for them. They'll have company in a few sandy countries.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Uh-oh. PH has been pinged. Civility is out the door."

And it started with your own post.

[PatrickHenry]

Everybody be nice.

[JamesP81]

"The Task Force finds that the most reliable information is produced by recognized, respected professional organizations which adhere to a strict standard of objective, peer-reviewed scientific study and which represent the consensus of the scientific community."

Basically, there's not enough information to answer the question other than to say sometimes the answer is agree, and sometimes it is disagree, depending on which professional organization we are talking about.

For example, the ACM (a computer scientist organization) tends to render pretty reliable information as it relates to all subjects of computer science including computability, computational capability, algorithm analysis, discrete math, quantum computing, etc ad nauseam.

OTOH, we have the American Bar Association for lawyers. If the state of thought on Constitutional law in this country is any indicator, well I think you get the point.

[curiosity]

Let the people who don't want to learn science learn babble instead

The only trouble with what you're suggesting is that their children, who don't deserve it, will be cheated out of an education. Bad education carries with it many negative externalities, which is why it makes good sense for the government to ensure some minimum education standards.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not an advocate of public education, just some form of government accredidation or certification of certain minimal standards in science, civices, history, geography, and literature.

And creation science most definitely should NOT receive any government accredidation. Home schoolers MUST teach their children about evolution. If they want to teach them some stupid "alternatives," well, then there's not much we can do to stop them. But their children must have a solid grasp of evolutionary theory.