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To: David Hunter; Hannah Senesh
I think Hannah may be a little over the top, but I'd suggest you direct the Brit vs Brit arguement between yourselves.

2) If it had not been for British resolve and resourcefulness during World War II, then you're Jewish ancestor(s) would probably have been murdered by the NAZIs and you would not exist. >directed to me is equally over the top. I've no relatives I know of Brits saved, nor any I know of who died.

Relatives, including both parents and seven uncles, five survived, who fought in Europe the last century I know all about. My impression, your island was among the nations they were helping.

You're right about the Balfour declaration. IMO, Britain turned their back on that commitment in the 1930s. Jews could have been saved by the hundreds of thousands by allowing immigration to Palestine (that's the Jewish homeland) per the Balfour declaration. As nearly a hundred thousand could have been saved by allowing them to use unused visas to the US. While many individuals risked their lives in the effort, imo no Western leader save the Pope and King Christian X of Denmark did a damn thing.

24 posted on 03/12/2006 2:33:19 PM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: SJackson
I think Hannah may be a little over the top, but I'd suggest you direct the Brit vs Brit arguement between yourselves.

I would be glad to, but since so many FReepers would have seen that post and not realised that much of it was a distortion of the truth, then I felt obligated to point that out to you and to others who must have seen it.

2) If it had not been for British resolve and resourcefulness during World War II, then your Jewish ancestor(s) would probably have been murdered by the NAZIs and you would not exist.

>directed to me is equally over the top. I've no relatives I know of Brits saved, nor any I know of who died.

No, I wasn't directing it at you, but at Hannah Senesh.

Jews could have been saved by the hundreds of thousands by allowing immigration to Palestine (that's the Jewish homeland) per the Balfour declaration.

Yes, but at the time the British government was worried that a large influx of Jewish immigrants would have caused an arab rebellion, not to mention the possibility that the Jewish freedom fighting groups could have increased their strength and turned on British troops, as they did after World War II.

The British Empire and the Dominions took extra Jewish immigrants, but I do accept that more should have been done to help.

Anti-Semitism was a problem in the USA as well as in the UK at that time, and regrettably many of the elites did not believe that Hitler was prepared to commit genocide against the Jewish people.

26 posted on 03/12/2006 3:39:14 PM PST by David Hunter (http://www.freebritannia.com/ - the real home of British Libertarian Conservatism)
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To: SJackson; David Hunter; Hannah Senesh; Eli Reifman

"You're right about the Balfour declaration. IMO, Britain turned their back on that commitment in the 1930s. Jews could have been saved by the hundreds of thousands by allowing immigration to Palestine (that's the Jewish homeland) per the Balfour declaration. As nearly a hundred thousand could have been saved by allowing them to use unused visas to the US. While many individuals risked their lives in the effort, imo no Western leader save the Pope and King Christian X of Denmark did a damn thing."

Warrants repeating.

The British reneged on their international committment to create a Jewish state. And the Jews in the hundreds of thousands paid with their lives in the Shoah.

Some Brits would like to take credit for what a Christian minority, like Balfour, did. In reality Churchill was prevented by a Parliamentary majority from implementing the Balfour Declaration.

Only post Holocaust guilt imposed by the US and others forced the British to create the State of Israel. And even then the British screwed Israel -- took the lion's portion of the land to appease the Hashemites by giving them (Trans)Jordan and helped the Arab agressors fight the new founded state of Israel in 1948 war of Independence.

As I posted in #21 a Jewish Zionist named Weitzman helped the British win WW1. But that did not stop the British from screwing the Jews in WW2 and after.


27 posted on 03/12/2006 6:20:38 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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