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To: dervish; SJackson; David Hunter

I have to back David Hunter (and Eli Reifman) on this. Of course anti-semitism is present in England, as in most places. But to suggest that it is widespread, endemic or chronic is in my experience a grotesque distortion of reality. In 62 years of a not particularly sheltered life in England, I've witnessed personally only one example of anti-semitism. That was over thirty years ago: and it's stayed in my mind with perfect clarity precisely because it was so unusual.


29 posted on 03/13/2006 7:35:32 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Winniesboy
I have to back David Hunter (and Eli Reifman) on this. Of course anti-semitism is present in England, as in most places. But to suggest that it is widespread, endemic or chronic is in my experience a grotesque distortion of reality.

Read my post again, I said no such thing

post 24

I think Hannah may be a little over the top, but I'd suggest you direct the Brit vs Brit arguement between yourselves.

2) If it had not been for British resolve and resourcefulness during World War II, then you're Jewish ancestor(s) would probably have been murdered by the NAZIs and you would not exist. directed to me is equally over the top. I've no relatives I know of Brits saved, nor any I know of who died.

Relatives, including both parents and seven uncles, five survived, who fought in Europe the last century I know all about. My impression, your island was among the nations they were helping.

You're right about the Balfour declaration. IMO, Britain turned their back on that commitment in the 1930s. Jews could have been saved by the hundreds of thousands by allowing immigration to Palestine (that's the Jewish homeland) per the Balfour declaration. As nearly a hundred thousand could have been saved by allowing them to use unused visas to the US. While many individuals risked their lives in the effort, imo no Western leader save the Pope and King Christian X of Denmark did a damn thing.


30 posted on 03/13/2006 7:49:34 AM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: Winniesboy; SJackson; Hannah Senesh; Eli Reifman; David Hunter

The statistics show alarming increases in anti-Semitic incidents. Is that reflected in your experience too? If you are not Jewish you may not be aware of the vulnerability of the Jewish community.




"Lord Triesman: My Lords, I have made the point that we have rigorous legislation. Further differentiation in pursuing hate crimes will not necessarily help. I draw the attention of noble Lords to the 532 anti-Semitic incidents recorded in 2004—the highest level since records began in 1984—but there were 50,000 reported incidents of hate crime. When we view the matter in perspective, each of the different bits is important. Understanding the totality of our problem is very important too. "

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200405/ldhansrd/pdvn/lds05/text/51212-01.htm

"The number of anti-Semitic incidents recorded in Britain last year rose by 7% compared with 2002, figures show.

A total of 375 acts aimed at the Jewish community or individuals were reported to the Community Security Trust (CST).

The charity, which advises and represents the Jewish community on anti-Semitism, blamed the Iraq war and tensions in the Middle East.

The number of anti-Semitic assaults in 2003 rose 15% to 54, according to the CST."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3505373.stm

The UK has 300,000 Jews and had 532 incidents in 2004.

In contrast the US for 2004 had 1557 incidents and a Jewish population of 6,000,000.

UK had the highest rate of incidents in 2003 and then topped that by another 25% in 2004.

You don't think there is a problem?


31 posted on 03/13/2006 9:31:00 AM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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