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Russia: Creationism Finds Support Among Young
Radio Free Europe ^ | 03/13/2006 | Claire Bigg

Posted on 03/13/2006 10:10:03 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: PatrickHenry

But in this case it is fun to have a reference that takes him out of the game when he tries to mislead others.

Just a thought.


61 posted on 03/13/2006 2:02:35 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Omedalus
"Someday, hopefully in the far future, I'm going to be dying on a hospital bed somewhere, and will depend on doctors, nurses, pharmaceutical manufacturers, etc., to give me more time."

You are mistaken. You will be euthenized to help the fittest survive.

62 posted on 03/13/2006 2:05:08 PM PST by BobS
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To: PatrickHenry; freedumb2003

"All I do is provide information, which they are free to ignore."

That's not true of American children who are forced to listen to the "theories" of the State Religion of evolution.


63 posted on 03/13/2006 2:06:18 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: freedumb2003
Your Creation Myth is no more valid than the Cherokee Indian, Hindu, Buddhist or any others.

I think I posted the Cherokee story earlier, so here is the:


Hindu Creation Story

This universe existed in the shape of darkness, unperceived, destitute of distinctive marks, unattainable by reasoning, unknowable, wholly immersed, as it were, in deep sleep.

Then the Divine Self-existent, himself indiscernible but making all this, the great elements and the rest, discernible, appeared with irresistible power, dispelling the darkness.

He who can be perceived by the internal organ alone, who is subtle, indiscernible, and eternal, who contains all created beings and is inconceivable, shone forth of his own will.

He, desiring to produce beings of many kinds from his own body, first with a thought created the waters, and placed his seed in them.

That seed became a golden egg, in brilliancy equal to the sun; in that egg he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of the whole world....

The Divine One resided in that egg during a whole year, then he himself by his thought divided it into two halves;

And out of those two halves he formed heaven and earth, between them the middle sphere, the eight points of the horizon, and the eternal abode of the waters.

From himself he also drew forth the mind, which is both real and unreal, likewise from the mind ego, which possesses the function of self-consciousness and is lordly.

Moreover, the great one, the soul, and all products affected by the three qualities, and, in their order, the five organs which perceive the objects of sensation.

But, joining minute particles even of those six, which possess measureless power, with particles of himself, he created all beings.

http://www.crystalinks.com/vedic.html
64 posted on 03/13/2006 2:09:28 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
That's not true of American children who are forced to listen to the "theories" of the State Religion of evolution.

Sorry, your post is definitionally out of bounds. Evolution is a theory, Creation is a myth. You admit that anything you think is true, therefore your post is meaningless.

65 posted on 03/13/2006 2:11:33 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: freedumb2003

"It can't be proven."

Do you believe the universe has existed forever, or do you believe it come into being a finite amount of time ago in the past?


66 posted on 03/13/2006 2:12:39 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Coyoteman
That seed became a golden egg, in brilliancy equal to the sun; in that egg he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of the whole world....

The Divine One resided in that egg during a whole year, then he himself by his thought divided it into two halves;

Well, I now have something I can post as I KNOW that life came from a Brahma. And they doggone well better teach it as a theory! ;)

67 posted on 03/13/2006 2:13:15 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Not surprising. There must be some old Stalinists left over to attack the evolution supporters.


68 posted on 03/13/2006 2:13:55 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: orionblamblam
Oh, goodie. Then we'll be as scientifically advanced as the Russians!

The Russians have been under the fiat of "Darwinist Tyrants" for most of the 20th century.

Your comment makes no sense. The US with its Bible Belt and belief systems and not under the fiat of any particular cosmology or scientific view seems to have done a lot better in terms of scientific research and discoveries than countries where evolution has been state directed policy.

May seem counter-intuitive.

But it's not if one understands conservative principles.

69 posted on 03/13/2006 2:14:34 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Do you believe the universe has existed forever, or do you believe it come into being a finite amount of time ago in the past?

Irrelevant. That is a philosophical discussion, not a scientific one.

Science is looking at the origins, but it is by backtracking data. Not by positing a Brahma in an egg as the beginning of things.

70 posted on 03/13/2006 2:15:19 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Maybe someday we will be free of the Darwinist tyrants here also.

Also known as "scientists". Yeah, we'll be doing real well without scientists [eyeroll]. Who needs medicine and technology driving our economy? Let's roll up in our comfy ball of ignorance instead and waste away.

71 posted on 03/13/2006 2:16:46 PM PST by Bingo Jerry (Bing-freaking-go!)
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To: freedumb2003
"Irrelevant. That is a philosophical discussion, not a scientific one."

So the nature of the universe, astrophysics, cosmology are now not scientific topics, but rather irrelevant "philosophical" ones?

"Not by positing a Brahma in an egg as the beginning of things."

Not even by positing a Singularity???



Now how about answering the question? It's germane to your contention that Creation is a "myth".
72 posted on 03/13/2006 2:21:41 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Bingo Jerry

" Also known as "scientists". Yeah, we'll be doing real well without scientists [eyeroll]."

I'm afraid you are mistaken if you think all scientist are Darwinist tyrants.


73 posted on 03/13/2006 2:23:04 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: mlc9852
All of us who learned about evolution in school had the choice to believe or toss - quite a few of us decided we didn't believe it and tossed it

Clearly there is a problem in teaching when people are rejecting facts. I'm no happier with that than if you rejected addition or spelling because of your religious beliefs.

74 posted on 03/13/2006 2:24:31 PM PST by Bingo Jerry (Bing-freaking-go!)
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To: tallhappy

> The Russians have been under the fiat of "Darwinist Tyrants" for most of the 20th century.

ERRR. They were under the fiat of *Coomunist* tryants./ Commies *really* didn't like Darwinism, and locked 'em up into the Guklags with especial zeal. Stalin & Co. were big, big fans of Lysenko.

> The US with its Bible Belt and belief systems and not under the fiat of any particular cosmology or scientific view seems to have done a lot better in terms of scientific research and discoveries than countries where evolution has been state directed policy.

The US has done well scientifically in part because our scientists have been trained well. That includes evolution in the biology clases. The Russians did not do as well, in part because their "scientific" training included utter bilge like Lysenkoism.

As for other countries where "evolution has been state directed policy," that woudl be like countries where "gravity has been state directed policy" or "cause and effect have been state directed policy."

> But it's not if one understands conservative principles.

Conservatism means to examine cause and effect and react and plan accordingly. This has *always* meant to push superstition back, as the supernatural does not play well with cause and effect, and nor can superstition be demonstrated to have value.


75 posted on 03/13/2006 2:25:59 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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The Divine OneDidit placemark


76 posted on 03/13/2006 2:26:13 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I'm afraid you are mistaken if you think all scientist are Darwinist tyrants.

Hmm...ok, who are these "Darwinist Tyrants", then?

77 posted on 03/13/2006 2:26:19 PM PST by Bingo Jerry (Bing-freaking-go!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
So the nature of the universe, astrophysics, cosmology are now not scientific topics, but rather irrelevant "philosophical" ones?

LOL! The way you phrased it, yes.

"Not by positing a Brahma in an egg as the beginning of things."

Not even by positing a Singularity???

A Singularity doesn't prove your creation myth.

Now how about answering the question? It's germane to your contention that Creation is a "myth".

Cosmology is a scientific endeavor using scientific methods. You say that the Biblical creation myth is truth. I say it is a Brahma in an egg. Both are equally true. And neither is science nor provable.

You can't win this one. You are out of the game.

78 posted on 03/13/2006 2:28:30 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: mlc9852

> We don't ask you to believe in God.

No? Strange. I've seen many instructions to do so, and threats levied against those who do not.


79 posted on 03/13/2006 2:28:48 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Bingo Jerry
I'm afraid you are mistaken if you think all scientist are Darwinist tyrants.

PM has an imaginary doctor friend who is a Creationist.

The fact that 99% of all scientists understand and embrace TToE is always ignored by CRIDers.

80 posted on 03/13/2006 2:30:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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