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UK to buy Israeli 'James Bond' rifle
Ynet News (Israel) ^ | March 14, 2006 | Hagit Klaiman

Posted on 03/15/2006 3:52:24 AM PST by Hannah Senesh

On Sunday, the British Defense Ministry announced that British soldiers will be equipped with a brand new firearm called "Corner Shot." The firearm, an Israeli invention, was described by the Daily Mirror newspaper as "a deadly device taken from James Bond's films."

The unique firearm was developed by the Israeli company Corner Shot from Yahud. It is designated for use in urban warfare and for anti-terror warfare, allows shooting behind cover, and therefore reduces the risk of the solider.

The fighter can also observe the conditions around the corner using a video camera mounted on the front part of the barrel, which transmits the picture to a display installed next to the rifle's butt. The camera can be exchanged with night vision equipment and can transmit pictures of the battlefield to a command center.

In Israel the weapon is used by the Police and the Border Guard.

The British Defense Ministry acknowledged that the firearm is appropriate for the streets in Iraq and that it proved to be very practical. In March of last year the Daily Express newspaper revealed that the Defense Ministry was testing the Israeli-made firearm.

The British Minister of Defense John Reid told the newspaper that the infantry divisions need more than a simple weapon to succeed in their missions, adding urban warfare technology is gaining speed nowadays more then ever, from protective gear to evolving technology.

Fascinating, practical technology

Another senior official at the Defense Ministry said that the weapon testing is very essential to the British forces because of the significance in experiencing the latest technology. The official disclosed to the Daily Express that some of the weapons tested looked as if they belong in "James Bond" movies.

The person behind the development of the weapon is Corner Shot's owner and CEO, Amos Golan. He served as an anti-terror unit commander and experienced urban and anti-terror warfare. "The device meant to save lives. Today, when the battleground moved to 'urban jungle', the weapon can save lives. It actually complements lack of intelligence in the field without risking the warrior's life", explained Golan to Ynet.

Golan further explained that, this way the soldier can stay behind cover and still watch what is happening and provide firepower if necessary.

Corner Shot Company was established in 2002 in partnership with American investors. It has 25 employees and develops other types of unique firearms to answer urban warfare and anti-terror warfare needs. The company also has an office in Miami, Florida.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; israel; uk
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To: Hannah Senesh
There ain't nothing new under the sun. It's the degree of innovation that counts. Take computers: I'm sure you'd agree that the latest Dell running Windows XP is a small improvement on the abacus.

An M3 spraying a bunch of 45 ACP around a corner vs a single 9 mm round? Cost of the weapon?

BTW, I have an abacus next to my Dell with XP. ;-)

21 posted on 03/15/2006 7:38:56 AM PST by CPOSharky (They don't even like each other.)
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To: untrained skeptic
A lot of walls, especially in the mid east, are stone or cement. A 9mm as supported as that one will have a decent effect range. For Urban combat at least. With cover and good sights the shooter can take the time to make those shots count. Most terrorists are not armored.
22 posted on 03/15/2006 7:49:51 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Hannah Senesh

The Izzies know how to deal with the pestilence Muhammad unleashed. Great weapon. Way to go Israel!


23 posted on 03/15/2006 7:51:53 AM PST by dennisw (-Muslim's biggest enemy is the founder of Islam, Muhammad. Muslims are victims of this evil conman-)
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To: Sender

:-) it was an article in a medical journal written by 3 doctors, and is hardly indicative of the opinon of the whole of Britain. In fact, even the writers admitted it wasn't a practical idea - just a device to get people talking about crime.


24 posted on 03/15/2006 7:53:10 AM PST by pau1f0rd (Still more majestic shalt thou rise, More dreadful from each foreign stroke.)
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To: 1rudeboy
>Those Germans. Why didn't they take over the world, again?

The French Resistance
sapped so much of their strength that
the Reich just collapsed!

25 posted on 03/15/2006 7:56:44 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: CPOSharky

"BTW, I have an abacus next to my Dell with XP. ;-)"

That figures.


26 posted on 03/15/2006 8:19:25 AM PST by Hannah Senesh
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To: TalonDJ
A lot of walls, especially in the mid east, are stone or cement.

That means mainly exterior walls, which also likely also means longer range engagements.

A 9mm as supported as that one will have a decent effect range.

The stock will make it a more stable and give more accuracy, but not more range in which the round is effective. This is not a pistol round being used in a carbine.

The round isn't going to have the high muzzle velocity of a rifle, nor do handgun bullets have high ballistic coefficients.

With cover and good sights the shooter can take the time to make those shots count.

This won't give you the ability to sit at long range and pick your shot while hidden. This is going to only be effective at relatively close ranges.

You're not going to be able to adjust to moving targets well. The recoil is also going to be off axis, which will make it hard to get back on target for followup shots.

However, in the case where your dealing with a stationary, unarmored target, who is around the corner of a block wall, but not far away, this would give you a strategic advantage.

However, it seems like it would be a very rare case where this would be more useful than a rifle and a few flash-bangs for military personnel.

I have a 9 mm Glock G34. It's a great gun for shooting IPSC production, however the 9mm is a light round for trying to drop metal poppers well. It's a reasonable backup gun if your rifle breaks or you run out of ammo. It's not a reasonable primary weapon if you have a choice.

27 posted on 03/15/2006 10:34:04 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Hannah Senesh

"Rifle"??? Bullcrap! That's a ported, full-size frame Glock, in a fancy holder.

28 posted on 03/15/2006 10:37:14 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RogueIsland
IIRC the barrel wear was ridiculous and that's what led to the demise of the idea.

It wasn't just barrel wear. The bullets often came out in more than one piece. Useful for defending armoured vehicles against swarming infantry ... not so useful for anything else.

29 posted on 03/15/2006 10:39:06 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Peanut Gallery; SAMWolf; alfa6

ping


30 posted on 03/15/2006 10:41:07 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Algebra? It's a piece of pi.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

A poster at YNet made a similar point

Another poster replied as follows (various typos corrected):

"It's not a framed glock and there's very little recoil.

The turning frame has a floating bolt system inside, not fixed, so accuracy at max 50 metres is very good.

You're not going to shoot further than that inside a building anyway"


31 posted on 03/15/2006 10:42:53 AM PST by Hannah Senesh
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To: Hannah Senesh
It's not a framed glock and there's very little recoil.

Oh, really? Take a good look ... you can even see the little thumb-rest molded into the side of the handle, the trigger-guard, the base of the magazine just the right distance below the slide, the take-down button, slide release, ...

I own a Glock-17 ... I know what they look like.

He's probably right about the recoil ... between the ported barrel and the weight of that holder, bipod, light, etc. I bet that thing doesn't move much at all.

32 posted on 03/15/2006 10:49:03 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Take it up with him. I'm merely recounting what he said.

No one is compelling the Brits to buy it. Indeed, given the real hatred for Israel in the UK, I'm amazed that they're going near it. I'm left with the obvious conclusion that the experts in Britain think it must be an excellent weapon. Whether it is not, I'm just pleased that Israel and the American investors are going to make a packet out of this invention.

Anyone who thinks they can do better are welcome to try. That's what capitalism is all about.


33 posted on 03/15/2006 10:55:01 AM PST by Hannah Senesh
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To: ArrogantBustard

And if you believe that there has been a breach of some patent or other, I would advise you to contact the appropriate authorities.


34 posted on 03/15/2006 10:58:30 AM PST by Hannah Senesh
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To: Hannah Senesh
It's a cool concept, actually, although not new. Folks have been designing detatchable buttstocks for pistols since the mid 1800s. This thing seems to be fairly adaptable. The fellow on the right (below) appears to have a SiG mounted in his device:

Take it up with him.

If he comes here, I will ... perhaps he's seen some device other than what is depicted on this thread. Meantime, just look at the pictures for yourself. They're fairly obvious.

35 posted on 03/15/2006 11:09:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hannah Senesh
I think the patent probably expired a long time ago:

A 3rd Model Colt Dragoon revolver (c. 1851) with a 3rd pattern shoulder stock. An example of the types of weapons used in the Indian Territory by Confederate cavalry

Yes, the buttstock is detatchable ... pop it off and you have a standard-issue cap and ball revolver.

36 posted on 03/15/2006 11:16:06 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Wait... Detachable buttstock?!?! AAAAHHHHHH!! ASSAULT WEAPON! ASSAULT WEAPON! BAN IT! BAN IT!!! SOMEONE CALL HILLARY CLINTON OR TED KENNEDY!!


37 posted on 03/15/2006 12:13:38 PM PST by BorisTheBulletDodger (<sarcasm> is never off)
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To: Hannah Senesh

Bugs Bunny did it back in the '30s with a shotgun. In most cases it would be easier just to put the camera on a regular rifle and stick it around the corner.


38 posted on 03/15/2006 1:40:11 PM PST by jordan8
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To: BorisTheBulletDodger

Detachable buttstock, just what Hillary needs!


39 posted on 03/15/2006 2:35:41 PM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: untrained skeptic
It can't be as bad as all that considering they have been in the field for years now. I mean effect range of the weapon system as a whole. Putting a stock on any pistol increases the range at which you can reliably hit anything. But hey, if you don't like 9mm put something bigger on the end.
Like this.
40 posted on 03/15/2006 2:44:49 PM PST by TalonDJ
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