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Huge crowds extend Darwin exhibit in New York
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Posted on 03/22/2006 6:22:07 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser

Huge crowds extend Darwin exhibit in New York

Wed Mar 22, 2:54 PM ET

NEW YORK (AFP) - A monumental Charles Darwin exhibition in New York has been extended by five months amid an overwhelming public response to what was touted as a scholarly rebuke to opponents of teaching evolution in US schools.

The American Museum of Natural History said Wednesday that nearly 200,000 people had visited "Darwin" since it opened three months ago.

Originally slated to close at the end of this month, the exhibition will now run through August 20, said museum spokesman Joshua Schnakenberg.

"Darwin" had opened amid furious debate in many school districts over the teaching of the 19th century naturalist's evolutionary theory and the first trial on the teaching of the God-centered alternative favoured by many religious groups, "intelligent design," or ID.

That trial, in Pennsylvania, ended in defeat for the evangelical right with the judge in the case decrying the "breathtaking inanity" of the school board in the town of Dover which backed the concept that nature is so complex it must be the work of a superior being.

"Our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom," the judge said in his ruling in December.

An early section of the New York exhibit is devoted to the question, "What is a Theory?" and seeks to clarify the distinction between scientific theories and non-scientific explanations about the origins and diversity of life.

"This is really for the schoolchildren of America. This is the evidence of evolution," said the exhibit's curator, Niles Eldridge.

In a Gallup poll released last October, 53 percent of American adults agreed with the statement that God created humans in their present form exactly the way the Bible describes it.

Thirty-one percent stood by the "intelligent design" stance, while only 12 percent said humans have evolved from other forms of life and "God has no part."


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To: aNYCguy

And I suppose the Ancient Greeks should have retracted their hypothesis about Atoms, and burned all their scrolls which made reference to such notions.

One does not have to prove a hypothesis to make it worthy of scientific study.. but one MUST disprove it in order to make it unworthy. That means the burden is upon you to disprove it if you can.


121 posted on 03/22/2006 11:33:51 PM PST by AnnoyedOne
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To: curiosity; elfman2
ID in Philosophy where unsupported assertions belong.

I think it belongs in rhetoric class, to be subjected to the same analysis as politicians' speeches, advertisements, and so forth.

It's a good example of a pseudoscience for classes that touch on the philosophy of science; in England it's being taught, as it should, as part of the history of science.

122 posted on 03/22/2006 11:37:35 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: AnnoyedOne
If, where, when, and how such "help" took place are among the things that would naturally be sought to discover if such an intelligence were involved.

Well, I don't think so. Who is it that is or would naturally be seeking such a discovery, and how in the name of God would you even conceive that they might go about doing it?

"Under which king Bezonian? Speak or die!"

123 posted on 03/22/2006 11:40:55 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

How one would go about doing so? I have no idea. What may be possible in the future, I do not know either. But once again...

Just as with the Ancient Greeks who hypothesized the existence of the Atom, they had no way for many centuries to prove it, nor could they imagine any way it could be done. But eventually it WAS able to be done.. and guess what? They were right. But if all scientists had accepted the idea that it was unprovable, it would never have even been attempted.


124 posted on 03/22/2006 11:49:29 PM PST by AnnoyedOne
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To: AnnoyedOne
And I suppose the Ancient Greeks should have retracted their hypothesis about Atoms, and burned all their scrolls which made reference to such notions.

Let me tell you how discussion works: When someone makes a claim, they should be ready to support it or retract it. In this case, you made an absurd claim about knowing certain relative probabilities, a claim which was not true, and were asked to support or retract it.

Now, an adult who knows how discussion works would retract their unsupportable claim, even though they might really want it to be true. A child would whine that the burden is on the rest of the world to prove them wrong, and that disbelieving the child's asinine claims is tantamount to burning ancient scrolls of scientific conjecture.
125 posted on 03/23/2006 12:01:05 AM PST by aNYCguy
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To: AnnoyedOne
Just as with the Ancient Greeks who hypothesized the existence of the Atom, ...

Well, there is no "just as" about it! Greek atomism was predicated on materialism, and their inability to demonstrate the empirical consequences of this hypothesis in no way vitiates the power of their insight. On the contrary, the uncanny power of their insight shines across the two millenia that transpired antecedent to their vindication.

ID, OTOH, is nothing more than a reversion to the mysticism that the ancient Greeks so startlingly and unaccountably departed from.

126 posted on 03/23/2006 12:09:34 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: All

Someone earlier asked told me to go preach the stuff in my church. Well, I do not go to church.. I am not even Christian, nor muslim, nor anything else. If anything, I am agnostic bordering on atheist.

Do I believe in a God like some big white shining guy on a golden throne.. no, I don't.

Do I believe in a God who even cares very much about what goes on here? Not really.

Do I believe in a creator of SOME FORM.. a strong maybe.

Someone earlier mentioned a theory some believe in about aliens visiting here, and maybe latering dna and such. I would actually tend to lean more to this theory than any. If such beings do exist, and it is possible that they had a hand in our past, they could even turn out to be what we came to call "God". I have no idea, but I wanna know.

I do not like us putting on blinders to any idea. I do not care about the "moral implications". I just wanna know the truth.


127 posted on 03/23/2006 12:10:35 AM PST by AnnoyedOne
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To: AnnoyedOne
I do not like us putting on blinders to any idea. I do not care about the "moral implications". I just wanna know the truth.

Stone Roses - I Wanna be Adored. I love that song! Carry on!

128 posted on 03/23/2006 12:22:37 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: aNYCguy
Now, an adult who knows how discussion works would retract their unsupportable claim, even though they might really want it to be true. A child would whine that the burden is on the rest of the world to prove them wrong, and that disbelieving the child's asinine claims is tantamount to burning ancient scrolls of scientific conjecture.

Look, simple as this, I am not gonna spend years writing a friggin book for you. Go to the library and educate youtself. Other than that.. a few hundred musical notes.. versus millions of millions of coded pieces of information in a dna strand. If your mind is incapable of grasping the enormity of the difference.. then that is a limitation of your mind, and if your mind IS that limited.. you would be incapable of understanding any evidence that was given to you anyway. I have little doubt that, given your apparent intellect, your lips are probably moving as you read this. As for it being tantamount to burning such scrolls, the parallel between you and I is that if I were one of those guys who proposed an Atom, 2400 yrs ago or so... you would have been saying "Don't write that down!" "We cannot prove it is true so it should therefore never be studied!" "We do not want our children learning this!" "Here drink this poison!". A real visionary you are... the sort that time tends to make a complete ass out of.

129 posted on 03/23/2006 12:23:58 AM PST by AnnoyedOne
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To: dr_lew

You're kidding. There is such a song, really?


130 posted on 03/23/2006 12:24:40 AM PST by AnnoyedOne
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To: AnnoyedOne
I don’t have to sell my soul
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He’s already in me

I wanna be adored
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131 posted on 03/23/2006 12:34:38 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: freedumb2003
Besides, who ever heard of a Jew-or Gentile-worshipping Moses?
132 posted on 03/23/2006 12:43:36 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: connectthedots

Big difference, folks that feel the need to go see billy graham and part with their dough to hear feel good crap are a dime a dozen.


133 posted on 03/23/2006 12:44:38 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Stunned, he asked: "What do you call your act?" "The Aristocrats!")
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To: andysandmikesmom
I lived in Chicago for two years and visited all of the major museums (including the Art Institute several times), with the glaring exception of the Field. I had a friend who was a curator their at the time, but never got to go. I'll make sure to drop by when I do my cross country drive next month.

Afterwards, I'll make sure to stop at Gino's East for lunch/early dinner. :-)

134 posted on 03/23/2006 12:58:06 AM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Big difference, folks that feel the need to go see billy graham and part with their dough to hear feel good crap are a dime a dozen.



...and we folks who like tortoises are a lonely breed.


135 posted on 03/23/2006 1:03:21 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: dr_lew
... I might add that I used to listen to this tape on the last leg of my five hour trip from Chicagoland to Bloomington when my daughter was at IU in the early nineties. It got to be something of a ritual, even if it was only repeated five or six times.

The funny part is that her freshman year she went early to some kind of pre-freshman seminar, and one of the available topics was the History of Atomism. She didn't choose that one, but just reading the blurb in the catalogue inflamed my jealous feeling that I was the one who should be going to college. What was happening? And now ... ?

136 posted on 03/23/2006 1:09:17 AM PST by dr_lew
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"The bird was correct, Beethoven got it wrong" placemark


137 posted on 03/23/2006 1:16:53 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: dread78645

Well, you got me with that one!


138 posted on 03/23/2006 1:33:26 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: Central Scrutiniser

I visited this exhibit a couple of weeks ago. It's terrific. Highly recommended.


139 posted on 03/23/2006 2:19:24 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I hear ya. I did k-12 in Catholic school, we were taught science, we were taught about other religions. I even did a field trip in 5th grade to the Mormon Temple in town before the y consecrated it and it was off limits.

I did 1 through 10 in Catholic school....my first lessons in evolution was taught to me be one Brother William, a Marist Brother who taught Biology for 9th graders...and his alias, among us 'young skulls full of mush',(he loved his nickname) was 'Bio Bill'.

140 posted on 03/23/2006 3:43:10 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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