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To: M203M4
And I accept that there is a God as an article of faith that has no basis in observation

So you are a fideist.

What make you of the argument by cosmological design (NOT to be confused by ID)? You know, the idea that the apparent fine-tuning of all the constants of nature, how all the laws of physics seem to work just right to allow for life, all these things, at the very least, suggest the existence of a Creator?

66 posted on 03/22/2006 8:36:56 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

I believe that the existence of a Creator is suggested, not merely by the order of the Universe, but also by the beauty of the Universe.

I have a hunch that it will also be suggested, soon, by the weirdness of the Universe(s), if things play out as it seems they will, that there is more than one Universe and that ours came into being when it popped through the "skin" of another one.


70 posted on 03/22/2006 8:42:45 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: curiosity
What make you of the argument by cosmological design (NOT to be confused by ID)? You know, the idea that the apparent fine-tuning of all the constants of nature, how all the laws of physics seem to work just right to allow for life, all these things, at the very least, suggest the existence of a Creator?

None of those things suggest the existence of a creator (to me) - or rather, one cannot infer God from them. They are, however, consistent with both the idea of a creator and the idea of no creator. There is absolutely no material reason to have faith in God, zero, zip, zilch. But I *do*, by faith alone. To look for evidence of God, to me, is to betray God.

I gather this from my own reading and interpretation of the bible (also taken on faith that it is inspired - ie truths planned at onset to be woven within a human mind - and has retained much truth over the years of modification and translation by both good and bad men) and, in tandem, my study of the material (as a scientist). I know I am at odds with Catholicism, which I understand posits that the existence of God can be proven by reason alone (for which obvious circular reasoning is invoked, by all accounts I have read).

92 posted on 03/22/2006 9:06:47 PM PST by M203M4
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