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To: Vicomte13
PROFIT

iron-fisted production

full domination by the corporate far right

fascism with a vengeance

Funny how the communist totalitarians are held in great esteem while the fascist totalitarians are abomination.

Communists snicker at the pathetic body count that the fascists were able to roll-up. No beats the communists at murdering millions with very little complaints in the media.

Funny how that works.

57 posted on 04/03/2006 12:33:24 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: corkoman

"Funny how the communist totalitarians are held in great esteem while the fascist totalitarians are abomination.
Communists snicker at the pathetic body count that the fascists were able to roll-up. No beats the communists at murdering millions with very little complaints in the media.
Funny how that works."

It depends on the context of the country, of course.
The Communists IN FRANCE were the only ones out there resisting the Nazis while the French Right was collaborating with them.
Of course Stalin and Lenin, et al, were butchers, but really, does one expect anything different from Russians?

The French Communists fought the Nazis while the Right cooperated with them to harness up the French workers for the Nazi war machine. That is the history of France, and the reference point that the French really care about.

So, within FRANCE, there is a different dynamic. You had the military and the French right go over to the Fascists and become fascist. And you had the French Communists resist until 1944. Once the Americans were ashore and the Germans were on the run, everyone in the country was a "resistant".

Nobody was ever really fooled by this. There remained the truth, which was that the Communists fought the enemy, while the corporatists and the French Right collaborated with them. French Jews have always been very far to the Left, and supportive of the Communists IN FRANCE, and this is why.

This was all within living memory, and many politicians constructed histories for themselves in World War II. The French men of the Right who really resisted, for the most part were over with de Gaulle and were military. La Resistance IN France, at least in 1941, 42 and 43, was Communist. The Right was operating the factories and deporting the Jews.

Other things went on elsewhere in the world, but obviously what Communists did in Russia or China is not relevant in France. To the French, what matters is what the French Communists did, and what French Communists did was fight Nazis, and fight French fascists, and save Jews (many of whom then became Communists).

Cleary the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was a different thing, but that's a faraway foreign country. Within France, the Communists emerged from World War II as having been the true heroes WITHIN France during the war.

Communists in France might have had totalitarian ideals, but they never held power in France. They fought Nazis. Fascist totalitarians DID hold power in France, and Frenchmen enslaved and murdered Frenchmen, as the government, in service of those ideals of the hard Right.

Therefore, OF COURSE Communism has a better reputation in France than Fascism does. The Communists were national heroes. The Fascists were traitors.

You say "No-one beats the Communists at murdering millions". The French Communist Party didn't "murder millions". French Communists killed NAZIS. French FASCISTS killed Frenchmen of all stripes.

You can't tar the French Communist Party with the murders of the Russian Communist Party. It's like saying "No one beats lynching black people like whites." Too broad a brush. When did the Italians ever lynch black people? They're white.
When did the French Communists murder anybody?

Is it guilt by association?
Why is that? Because the Soviet Union was big but France is relatively small, and therefore the French Communists were simply obedient vassals of Russia? Is that how it works with French Communists? Just like French people of the right have always been lock-step obedient vassals of America?

Not to put too fine a point on it, Russia is the Arkansas of Europe. France is the New York of Europe. The Russians had a Communist party that behaved barbarically - what can one really expect of Russians? The French had a Communist Party that behaved like Frenchmen. Americans, locked in their Cold War mindset, paint with that broad brush, but the fact remains that French Communists were heroes of World War II, and the French Right were the traitors. Nothing that went on in Russia or China, which had nothing to do with France or French Communist, detracts from the French Communist Resistance.


65 posted on 04/03/2006 6:55:44 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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