Is Bush's Second Term Becoming a 'Harriet Miers Presidency'?

Online Human Events ^ | April 07, 2006 | Jerome R. Corsi

[Hank Rearden]

Sorry, we're just Bushed out, the wheels really do seem to be coming off and 'bot threats ring hollow. The Aunt Harriet thing was just embarrassing, and his pandering to illegal aliens is insane. And his big-government incontinence is outrageous.

George Jr.'s done damn little to earn the loyalty of those who hired him.

[Torie]

OK. I made my point, you made yours. Gosh, if this forum were really about true blue conservative litmus tests, I would have been banned years ago! :) By the way, I think Bush has made several severe judgment errors, and his low ratings are to some extent justified. I hope he can turn it around, but sad to say, he hasn't given an effective speech in a very long time.

[thoughtomator]

I sometimes differ from traditional conservatism myself. The difference is that I don't attack conservatives for being conservative, I respect the difference of opinion even where I vehemently disagree.

When someone conducts a cut-and-paste campaign that directly contradicts the mission statement of the site, attacks with malice the majority of its users, and makes not even the pretense of a search for truth or justice or fidelity to the Constitution while doing so, traditionally here that's been cause to remove them. I struggle to find the difference between that poster and the libs who pop on here and troll the site in much the same way.

[MNJohnnie]

Fringe is fringe. No matter how much it ticks you off, you side still will get less then 1% of the vote and still will be completely irrelevant. Screaming about it will not change that cold hard political reality.

So flail away with the nonsensical fraudulent "open borders" rhetorical questions. It's funny to watch.

Refusing to deal with the cold hard reality of Illegal Immigration to spew dogmatic talking points may make Fringes feel better It will still not get their 3rd party over 1% of the vote.

You choose to be politically irrelevant. No reason for us to waste time on you.

[SeaBiscuit]

Well put.

[Hank Rearden]

Pretty good summary.

Are we drilling in ANWR yet? No? Still talking about it, huh?

How about Kelo? Have we heard a peep from Bush about that outrage? How about legislation to moot it? No?

And Bush cares more about defending Iraq's borders than our own; we're going to be stuck babysitting those useless, defective Moos forever the way we're going. Speaking of Iraq, isn't it time for some oil reparations?

I've got lots more questions for "pubbies" on my FR homepage.

[Luke21]

You are one of the best Bushbots in the place. I'm amazed at how well you get around from thread to thread to defend Bush's dumbest and wackiest moves.

[Hank Rearden]

I think Bush has made several severe judgment errors, and his low ratings are to some extent justified. I hope he can turn it around, but sad to say, he hasn't given an effective speech in a very long time.

Speeches aren't going to cut it; we've heard a lot of meaningless piffle from Republicans over the years, with damn little to show for it.

[Euro-American Scum]

No, a Jimma Carter presidency.

There's nowhere near the anger at GWB now than there was against Carter in 1979-80. That hatred was something savage. I was surprised somebody didn't try to take a shot at him.

Carter was buried by the Reagan landslide in 1980. The GOP will win handily in November. All they have to do is just hammer the war on terror like a litany, pay some lip service to homeland security, maybe have Dubya land on a carrier or two again, and the GOP majority will emerge intact. The Dems offer nothing in the way of alternative. And everybody knows it.

The Pubbies will win in '08 for the same reason. Hitlery has nowhere near the charm that Bubba had. Bubba could forge coalitions, at least enough to get elected. Hillary either enthralls or alienates everyone she meets. Nobody's going to elect her to any office outside the state of New York.

[Hank Rearden]

No matter how much it ticks you off, you side still will get less then 1% of the vote and still will be completely irrelevant.

Wyche Fowler and Slade Gorton, just to name two losers, would beg to differ.

[Torie]

Communications skills are important, but yes, judgment errors are something else again. I saw that as a proud RINO. But Bush isn't running again. We must make the best with what we have, and move on.

[Prokopton]

"When someone conducts a cut-and-paste campaign that directly contradicts the mission statement of the site, attacks with malice the majority of its users, and makes not even the pretense of a search for truth or justice or fidelity to the Constitution while doing so, traditionally here that's been cause to remove them. I struggle to find the difference between that poster and the libs who pop on here and troll the site in much the same way."

Maybe we should just consider them "in-house" trolls. Is there some way a red "T" could be placed by their name so that other posters, interested in discussion and debate, would know not to waste their time and to ignore them?

[teldon30]

So no matter what the Republican party does...you will vote for them? Do you have a breaking point? Let's say Bush raised taxes, pulled troops out of Iraq within 6 monts and declared an open border with Mexico, all with the compliance of the republicans in the congress and senate, would you still vote republican? These are hypothetical so don't bother pointing that out...if you would still vote republican then you are truly irrelevant.

[Sometimes A River]

Did we abandon Bush, or did Bush abandon us?

I don't recall conservatives clamoring for new entitlements, amnesty for illegals, massive new spending, ad nauseum.

[RHINO369]

tax cuts +2
tax cuts are going to expire -1
Assault Weapons Ban not extended +1
Bush said he would sign it if it hit his desk -2
Crappy economy off the bat -.5
Good economy now +2
Passed a Medicare expansion -3
Twice the size ALGORE wanted -3
Never vetoed a spending bill -2
Close ties with India +1
Pressured Israel to give up territory -1
Libya giving up WMD +1
North Korea getting the bomb -10/10 (because its mostly Clinton's fault) = -1
Invaded Afghanistan +3
Used poorly trained northern alliance troops who allowed most of the terrorists to escape -1.5
Allows Pakistan to protect Osama -1.5
Invaded Iraq to prevent WMD proliferation +2
Amazing victory against Saddam +1
No WMD found -0
Can't explain effectively that no WMD was found because Saddam destroyed it after we decided to invade -1
Allows Islam to be main force in Iraqi government -1
Failure to train Iraqi army in 3 years that can protect its country -1
Roberts nomination +1
Alito +2
Miejers -2
Calling opponents of Miejers sexest -2
Going to bat for a two bit port deal and losing political capital for no reason -2
Calling opponents racists -1
Never securing border prior to 9-11 -2
Still not securing border after 9-11 -3
Telling America it won't work as hard as illegals -1
Guest worker program that includes citizenship -2
Pretending guest workers program isn't amnesty -2
Brining up SS reform +.5
Failing miserably to do it -1
McPain Fiengold -2
Lying about signing it -2
Sayings its unconstitutional and still signing it -2
Letting Ted Kennedy write your education bill -2
Having an education bill that doubles its size -2

I count bush as being at -31, 0 would be neutral

Oh not nailing an ugly intern +6

[Alamo-Girl]

What bothers me more than anything else, MNJohnnie, is that we are at war and we have beloved sons and daughters standing in harm's way. How on earth does this railing against their Commander-in-Chief play to them?

And what about our enemies, the terrorists - wouldn't they be leaping for joy to know that a big chunk of voters have turned on the one person who wields the power to shut them down?

Jeepers, MNJohnnie, even if the President were a Clinton - in a time of war - I would hold my peace.

[thoughtomator]

"Is there some way a red "T" could be placed by their name so that other posters, interested in discussion and debate, would know not to waste their time and to ignore them?"

Well, there's always the traditional way...

* * ASH ALERT * *

If you try to engage Ash (AshRedux, Ashlives, Ashisalive, Ashisaliar, ect) in debate, you will waste enormous bandwith and get nowhere. When he cannot refute you through misdirection or other obfuscation, he will hide from you. You will find yourself stuck like the Tar Baby in stories of old.

He has been banned many times.

He will, when ignored, strike out. He has claimed to have sent me money and claimed to know me and my wife!

He has shown contempt for the owner of this forum by returning under new names time and again,

he is, IMHO, a disruptor and a distractor.

The BEST policy (based on much advice, that I unfortunately ignored one week) is to act as if he IS NOT HERE.

From: DonMorgan (morgan@dmi.net) *

[teldon30]

may i copy your post for future reference? ;)

[RHINO369]

"Jeepers, MNJohnnie, even if the President were a Clinton - in a time of war - I would hold my peace."

Thats dangerous thinking. Just because we are in a minor war (less than 200,000 troops in combat is not a total war,and I'm not trying to belittle the troops because the nature of the war makes it harder for each of the soldiers at war, but as a society as a whole its a minor war) doesn't mean we shouldn't let the our opinions be known. Free speech and dissent makes our nation stronger not weaker.

[RHINO369]

ofcourse feel free to add either positives or negatives, i was trying to be as objective as possible. I don't hate Bush but I think as a conservative he has failed. However I 4th quarter conversion would be welcomed.