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AMT is the 'Darth Vader' of taxes
Knight Ridder News ^ | 4/17/6 | Mark Schwanhausser

Posted on 04/17/2006 12:48:15 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: SmithL
cost the government a staggering $1.2 trillion in tax revenue

That is using static projection. Taking away greater and greater portions of peoples' incomes must not be understood as depressing economic activity and reducing taxable incomes which is the real world effect. That $1.2 tril as a net increase will never be realized by the government because the increasing tax burden will foreclose on a lot of new capital formation that would produce a lot of new taxable income. That is elementary economic sense and is thus not useful to government people who are more interested in the control that higher tax gives them than in the actual revenues realized.

21 posted on 04/17/2006 1:36:44 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: Logophile
Envy is an ugly thing. It is also a destructive force in a free society. Why should I care if a few wealthy individuals manage not to pay their "fair share" (whatever that means) -- especially if forcing them to pay more means I will have to pay more too?

I agree. And now it's biting us in the butt. But nobody cared before because "the rich are finally getting theirs'."

22 posted on 04/17/2006 1:39:23 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: SmithL

Paid it this year.
Really pissed me off.


23 posted on 04/17/2006 1:40:50 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: SmithL

I don't think it's wise for anyone to hold their breath about tax reform. Sure, we get the same lip service each year from March until May. Once tax season is over and the next news cycle begins, our Congressmen breathe their bi-partisan sigh of relief and say "We snowed 'em again for another year!"


24 posted on 04/17/2006 1:46:15 PM PDT by rock_lobsta
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To: Jonx6

ping


25 posted on 04/17/2006 1:48:30 PM PDT by TXFireman
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To: Logophile; isthisnickcool
Progressive income taxes discourage productivity. A consumption tax like the fairtax would tax consumption, not productivity. The left comes into this debate with the presumption that citizens that earn high salaries are "rich" and are ABLE to pay higher taxes, while those that make less income, are "poor" and NEED more from government and should pay less. That is why, even now the top 20% of taxpayers pay 80% of the taxes. This concept sounds like the Marxist chant of "from each according to their ability to each according to their need."
26 posted on 04/17/2006 1:53:30 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: SmithL
The AMT got me this year.

I made slightly more this year than last, but less than some prior years.

But we have a newborn, born in 2005, which should have reduced my taxes.

The AMT cost me about $680.

27 posted on 04/17/2006 1:56:52 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: seacapn

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am single, no kids and still got hit with AMT this year. To the tune of 16,000 extra. What a killer. And I don't consider myself rich either.


28 posted on 04/17/2006 2:13:11 PM PDT by compman (left handed people are the only ones in their right mind!)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Progressive income taxes discourage productivity. A consumption tax like the fairtax would tax consumption, not productivity. The left comes into this debate with the presumption that citizens that earn high salaries are "rich" and are ABLE to pay higher taxes, while those that make less income, are "poor" and NEED more from government and should pay less. That is why, even now the top 20% of taxpayers pay 80% of the taxes. This concept sounds like the Marxist chant of "from each according to their ability to each according to their need."

I am inclined to agree with you, but I have several reservations about some of the consumption tax proposals:

First, the level of federal spending is much too high, regardless of how the taxes are collected.

Second, I would consider a national consumption tax only if all forms of the income tax were killed and buried forever. This would undoubtedly require a constitutional amendment. If this is not done, we could end up with both kinds of taxes.

Third, sale taxes are considered "regressive," which have led some to propose some kind of rebate to make the taxes more "progressive." This would create another messy bureaucracy, and would tempt politicians to tinker further with the tax code.

29 posted on 04/17/2006 2:32:31 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Eagle Eye

If the 3rd party platforms weren't so idiotic, then maybe they'd get some support.

Also, if they'd bother to recruit in other than presidential election years.

I've decided they're in it only for the federal matching funds.


30 posted on 04/17/2006 3:46:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: SmithL
The spark for the 2006 explosion is the expiration of a provision at the end of 2005 that slashed the deductions exempt under AMT rules.

Wow. A quadruple negative (quintuple if you count "tax")...

Abolishing the AMT wouldn't be easy. Because of the AMT's explosive projected growth, repealing it would cost the government a staggering $1.2 trillion in tax revenue over the next 10 years.

...and counting money left in the hands of the taxpayers as "cost".

Yes, we're definitely in tax-debate country.
31 posted on 04/17/2006 4:17:33 PM PDT by xenophiles
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To: Eagle Eye
What is amusing is that 99% of those fussing about the Republicans will go ahead and vote Republican next election.

And whats the alternative for voting Republican????

By not voting Republican we would have J F'in Kerry right now.

Or we would have had Al Bore.

Look what happened the last time people either stayed home or voted non republican.
8 years of The Perjuror, The Rapist, The Traitor, whatever you want to call him.

8 years of the most destructive times in this countries history. All because people decided to act like children, and throw a hissy fit, instead of acting like grown ups and voting for what was best for this country.

32 posted on 04/17/2006 5:05:56 PM PDT by mountn man (Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional.)
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To: Jim Verdolini

It was a nice chunk of change. Fortunately we sold it right at the end of the fifteen-year military exclusion. Whew!


33 posted on 04/17/2006 6:16:00 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Logophile

The income tax would have to be terminated, perhaps a constitutional amendment would do the trick, unless it was repealed as in the past.


34 posted on 04/17/2006 7:32:03 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: mountn man

Yep, instead of having the lesser of two evils, we are stuck with the evil of two lessers. And yes, I will have to hold my nose and vote GOP, but it still stinks.


35 posted on 04/17/2006 7:34:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Gee, the Republicans control both Houses of Congress and the White House. And the reason they haven't gotten rid of the AMT in the last five years is...(crickets chirping)...


36 posted on 04/17/2006 7:36:11 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Eagle Eye

"What is amusing is that 99% of those fussing about the Republicans will go ahead and vote Republican next election. "


I won't and I dont give a damn. I live in Chris Shays district. I wont vote for his opponent, but I will vote for Lieberman in the Senate. I hope the Dems take the Senate and we have gridlock. Hopefully Republicans keep the House.

Governs least, governs best. I am tired of this *HIT!


37 posted on 04/17/2006 7:46:04 PM PDT by LongsforReagan (Dick Cheney is the best elected official in this country. Period.)
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To: Uncle Vlad

Excellent question. The AMT should go the way of the dodo bird, along with the death tax. Permanently.


38 posted on 04/18/2006 7:11:29 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: dfwgator; xzins; mountn man
And yes, I will have to hold my nose and vote GOP, but it still stinks.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting diferent results.

Y'all are proving my point.

39 posted on 04/18/2006 7:12:27 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye

More a case of the only choices being the bad choice, and the even worse choice. The GOP is the bad choice.

Wake me up when there is a legitimate third party. In the mean time, I'm playing the hand I've been dealt.


40 posted on 04/18/2006 7:15:06 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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