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To: usmcobra
I'm not wrong I just didn't explain everything to you because I didn't think it was absolutely necessary.

In your 138 you wrote, 'I have to point out that the cross of St. Andrew is always a White cross on a blue field'. I replied that the Scottish use of the St. Andrew's cross 'was white on BLACK in 1385, in 1503 it was changed to red, and then in 1542 was changed to the blue of today.' It is not always white on blue as you stated.

When people today speak of the St.Andrew's cross used on the scottish flag what do they think of the one that flew from 1542 until now or the two others no one has seen used for over 400 years?

As I previously wrote in my reply, 'Southerners chose to use the St. Andrews CROSS (what he was crucified on), not the flag of Scotland.' A fact testified to by Mr. Cannon:

There can be no doubt that the Confederate Battle Flag or Southern Cross was intended to be a banner signifying the Christian heritage of the Southern people. The saltire or diagonal cross is the signal feature of that symbolism and is connected with the Christianity of ages past and of the martyrdom of the Apostle Andrew.

You then went on to claim that 'The southern cross is a corruption of religious symbols, inverted to do the devil's work.. Again from Mr. Cannon:

The salient design feature of the Battle Flag is its diagonal cross or saltire. This has for many centuries been a preeminent Christian symbol. ... Early in the history of the Christian church the Greek letter “X” or “Chi” became a symbol for Christ and Christianity. ... The important thing about the St. Andrews flag to the Scots was that it was an identification of themselves as a Christian people.

The British national or union flag contains the English St. Georges Cross with the diagonal St. Andrews Cross of Scotland, and the red diagonal St. Patricks Cross representing Northern Ireland. All the Scandinavian countries including Finland use a cross in their flags. The Swiss and Greek flags also contain crosses. This was meant to identify themselves as Christian nations.

The Southern Cross or Confederate Battle Flag with its white trimmed blue diagonal on a red field is a descendent of the Scottish St. Andrews Cross. As we shall see it was meant to be a preeminently Christian self-identification of the Southern people.

There can be no doubt that the Confederate Battle Flag or Southern Cross was intended to be a banner signifying the Christian heritage of the Southern people. The saltire or diagonal cross is the signal feature of that symbolism and is connected with the Christianity of ages past and of the martyrdom of the Apostle Andrew. The red field signifies courage. The blue of the saltire signifies truth. In Scotland it had come to have a special association with the truths of the Reformation. The white bordering of the cross signified the purity of their cause. One of the heraldic meanings of the saltire is strength, connected to the meaning of Andrew. A letter written by William Porcher Miles to Samuel Barrett of Georgia during the summer of 1861 clearly indicates the reasoning and intent of its principal designer and sponsor:

The flag should be a token of humble acknowledgement of God and be a public testimony to the world that our trust is in the Lord our God.

This meaning was widely understood by Confederate soldiers and the Southern people. That is why they frequently referred to it as “our Southern Cross.”

So in response to your claim that the Confederate flag was 'a corruption of religious symbols, inverted to do the devil's work', the evidence is just the opposite. The Southern people were Christian, so of course the Confederate flag employs a cross. I wonder if that is the reason that so many liberals despise the southern flag.
170 posted on 05/02/2006 6:51:26 AM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te fortuna sinet.)
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To: 4CJ
If you take one flag and reverse the colors to create another flag, are you not corrupting the intent of the original design for your own purposes?

That is only common sense, as for the devil's work, do you consider treachery, slavery, treason, terror, and murder, Christan deeds or the devil's works on earth?
187 posted on 05/02/2006 6:04:52 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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