Havoc post #90
"I find it simply amazing that it doesn't bother you all when Companies are unpatriotic. Again, all that matters to your crowd is the profit - oh, and maybe once in a while saying whatever you must for sake of public opinion."
Havoc post #114
"Yep, it's a values thing. ... don't be surprised when the mutiny hits."
So, if I understand your position; Walmart is "bad" because of "moral failings" and "unpatriotic" behavior. Examples of this being (1) their not offering employees more generous pay and/or medical insurance coverage and (2) their marketing of products produced in China (where workers are coerced to work for wages that are "immorally" low).
Is this an accurate description of your position? I've offered "your position" with "specific examples" on your behalf as you ignored my request that you do it for yourself. If it's erroneous, please correct.
I'm not aware of anything that Walmart does that I would consider immoral or unpatriotic. And I'm not saying that for any reason other than that I believe it.
If you do believe that Walmart is under-compensating its employees, but concede that they do pay above the minimum wage as defined by state and federal statutes; please help me understand how you reach such a conclusion.
I've worked at (and below) the legal minimum wage, but have never felt cheated as long as I was paid that which was agreed upon in advance. I have been undercompensated by employers; where I was in fact paid less than was promised. I considered that practice to be immoral, and would consider it immoral for Walmart to do the same. I'm not aware of any such behavior on their part.
In regard to their "unpatriotic" behavior of selling products that are produced in China; I'm not aware of a company that's a major retail distributor that doesn't sell Chinese made products. Are all such companies that sell Chinese made products unpatriotic? Can you list a few companies for me that don't sell Chinese made products? Can you explain what it is about Walmart's marketing of Chinese products that is unpatriotic?
By the way, I do agree that the Chinese government does behave in an immoral manner in some of their practices that do result in the underpayment and nonpayment of workers. There have recently been numerous cases of suicide among construction workers that were shamed and humiliated by such practices. This behavior by the Chinese government is immoral, and I believe it's unpatriotic, on their part.
And again; I am interested in your opinion of the existence of "immoral and unpatriotic" behavior by Walmart; but unless you can give a specific example of such behavior, there's not much else I can say about it.
Nova:
Read the posts more carefully. It's not about logic. It can't be argued that way. It's about "the way things should be."
The selling of Chinese made products is not in itself immoral or unpatriotic. That discussion has been had over and over again; but, it is yet another in the standard list of strawmen presented. Substitute "Foreign" or "British" for "Chinese" and that becomes apparent on it's face given the facts surrounding the revolution that founded this nation. It betrays your argument for the strawman.
What is unpatriotic is selling a foreign product at below local market cost to produce it. That is called unfair competition. You are using foreign wage scales to undermine the US economy. And if you don't understand the damage that does, you need to seek help. If you don't care, you merely illustrate my other points as to morality. Our economy is the backbone of this country's ability to defend itself. If you undermine the economy, you undermine the nation. And by undermining the US wage, you undermine the economy. Pretty simple. But not conducive to allowing you to profit absurdly at the cost of America and Americans. When all you can see is money, Patriotism and what it means becomes 'unimportant' and 'fuzzy.'
Something just kinda crept into the back of my mind. I and others have noted the Glaring prediction of the author of the Free-trade theory that it would lead most likely to revolution. And it's been asked of my side whether we would start a civil war over it. An interesting question. But, as the warning existed before the theory was shoved on us all, it seems more proper to ask if you would.. Start a civil war over it. I ask because it's quite possible that will happen IMHO. Would you? Simple yes or no if you please.