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Allen Bill Would Expand Visas For High-Tech Workers
Kingsport TimesNews ^ | 5/4/06

Posted on 05/04/2006 7:37:14 AM PDT by areafiftyone

U.S. Sen. George Allen, R-Va., has co-sponsored a bill offered by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, that seeks to promote employer access to skilled employees. The Securing Knowledge, Innovation and Leadership Bill expands the number of visas allowed for high-tech workers educated in the United States who are employed as part of the H1-B visa program.

"I want the United States to be the world capital of innovation. And to achieve that goal, we must adapt, innovate and compete by allowing them to attract highly skilled individuals so that they can become fully productive citizens," said Allen.

Currently, the number of visas for high-tech workers allowed under the H1-B program is capped at 65,000. This bill increases that number to 115,000 and creates a market-based cap whereby unused visas can be carried forward to the next year. In addition, the bill exempts from the H1-B cap any professional who has earned a post-graduate degree from an accredited college or university in the United States.

"Many of these students are studying engineering, science and technology, which are vital for the future competitiveness of our country. I want America to be the magnet for the best minds in the world. But we must allow our companies to compete and succeed, and this reasonable approach reduces paperwork on employees in this vital sector of our economy who have demonstrated a solid record of complying with our immigration laws," said Allen. "This is an example of why more young American men and women should be studying science and engineering so that they can fill those good paying jobs of the future.

"With women composing about 15 percent of engineers, and Latinos and African Americans at 6 percent each, I will continue to advocate that there must be incentives and encouragement of Americans to acquire the technological skills to lead a fulfilling life and improve American competitiveness."

The H1-B visa program has specific relevance to Virginia. A recent report by Cyberstates details tremendous gains in the high-tech sector of the U.S. economy. In a survey released earlier this month, U.S. high-tech employment totaled 5.6 million in 2005, up by 61,100. Virginia is number one in high-tech job growth, adding 9,100 such jobs in 2004.

Virginia is also among the top five in high-tech employment.

In fact, as Allen pointed out, "computer chips are replacing tobacco as Virginia's largest export."

Allen views continued growth in this sector of the economy as vital to the nation's future competitiveness. In March, he launched the U.S. Senate Economic Competitiveness Caucus, putting forth nine goals that would boost the nation's ability to compete and succeed against foreign competitors, including India and China, which are graduating far more engineers and scientists than the United States.

"To continue this type of solid growth, certain attributes will be the keys: We need more energy security. We need the right tax and regulatory policies for investment and jobs. We need to strengthen education to make this country more competitive. And finally, we need to be able to make sure that highly skilled workers - and their jobs - remain here," said Allen.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; allen2006; cornyn; georgeallen; h1b; h1bvisas; hightech; immigrantlist; virginia; visas
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1 posted on 05/04/2006 7:37:16 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Whatever happened to letting the free market solve this?


2 posted on 05/04/2006 7:38:28 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (FR's most controversial FReeper)
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To: areafiftyone

Apology for slavery (any Americans still alive who owned slaves)?

Allow more immigrants in to depress high-tech wages?

Sen. Allen's tanking pretty damned fast in my book!


3 posted on 05/04/2006 7:40:43 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: areafiftyone
"I want the United States to be the world capital of innovation. And to achieve that goal, we must adapt, innovate and compete by allowing them to attract highly skilled individuals so that they can become fully productive citizens," said Allen.

Another contender for the 'Prince of Euphemism'

Hey POE what is wrong with employing OUR people again?

4 posted on 05/04/2006 7:41:00 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: areafiftyone

If you need trained people why not train Americans?


5 posted on 05/04/2006 7:42:36 AM PDT by orinoco
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To: areafiftyone

Allen is off my dance card.


6 posted on 05/04/2006 7:43:39 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Whatever happened to letting the free market solve this?

The United States has always imported highly-educated people for specific purposes.

The free market would allow an employer to bring in whomever he wanted, for as long as he wanted.

7 posted on 05/04/2006 7:44:02 AM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: areafiftyone

And they wonder why American kids are not interested in pursuing engineering and science careers.

Maybe this flood of outsiders displacing Americans will only stop when we have H-1 visas for reporters, pundits, politicians, and CEOs.

After all, could an imported Paraguayan CEO paid $80,000 a year screw up ENRON any worse than Ken Lay did?


8 posted on 05/04/2006 7:44:12 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: joesnuffy

They cost to much for the multination corporations that send the senators big campaign checks. I am beginning to think our legislatures think they work for them and not us.


9 posted on 05/04/2006 7:45:17 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: areafiftyone
the bill exempts from the H1-B cap any professional who has earned a post-graduate degree from an accredited college or university in the United States.

??!! Over half the graduates in engineering are foreign.

10 posted on 05/04/2006 7:46:12 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus

Allen is off my dance card as well. I hope the campaign contributions taken from the "India first" lobby was worth it.


11 posted on 05/04/2006 7:47:08 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: orinoco
If you need trained people why not train Americans?

Employers need tech workers who are not only trained, but experienced.

My company has to import systems people who know OS/390 and COBOL because current grads view these as dead mainframe systems and won't learn high-end back-level IBM technology.

12 posted on 05/04/2006 7:47:44 AM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: FormerLib
Sen. Allen's tanking pretty damned fast in my book

100%

I'm a dummy. I've been supporting this guy for a while now and the first two things out of his mouth are pure garbage. I kind of wonder if this is because the papers have begun to attack him, but is so that's probably even worse.

I hope Pence wants to run in '08 and has the charisma to win. I cannot take another half conservative in the White House.
13 posted on 05/04/2006 7:48:05 AM PDT by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: areafiftyone

This guarantees I will vote AGAINST him when he runs for president.


14 posted on 05/04/2006 7:48:26 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: areafiftyone
Employers need tech workers who are not only trained, but experienced.

Yeah, there are lots of older high-tech workers out there who haven't gotten jobs since the 2002 slump. How about hiring them back first and THEN we'll talk about bringing in more H1-B visa folks?

15 posted on 05/04/2006 7:49:45 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: areafiftyone
This is not going to help serve motivate my teenagers to study their science, chemistry and math, seeing as Third-Worlders will be imported to do it for us on the cheap.
16 posted on 05/04/2006 7:50:31 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: sinkspur
The United States has always imported highly-educated people for specific purposes

Spoken like a true "free trader". You 'import' human beings, because you believe humans are a commodity.
17 posted on 05/04/2006 7:51:39 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: oldbill

I work for a large government contractor and we work a HUGE IT contract for the SSA. It’s got to be 75% H1-Bs here. I do interviews now and again and the candidates are nothing but H1-Bs.

Last year the company bussed us all to a speech by the CEO and he gave some BS about how the company has programs to encourage students to study math, science and engineering. I felt like standing up and saying “Why should ANYONE go though the trouble of studying calculus (like I did) when companies like yours lobby congress to allow more workers to drive down our wages?”

But I need the paycheck.


18 posted on 05/04/2006 7:54:44 AM PDT by ElTianti
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To: hedgetrimmer

"Spoken like a true "free trader". You 'import' human beings, because you believe humans are a commodity."

We're "Human Resources", think cattle.


19 posted on 05/04/2006 7:55:36 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: sinkspur
The usual way to solve this would be to let the free market work. Increase the compensation for those willing to do this work. I'm sure many Americans would jump at the opportunity.
Looks like our big corporations and our big government are looking for the cheap way out and would just as soon give these jobs to foreigners.
20 posted on 05/04/2006 7:56:55 AM PDT by orinoco
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To: areafiftyone

Watch both the dems and the repugs line up behind him to support this. The average American no longer has representation in our federal government.


21 posted on 05/04/2006 7:58:50 AM PDT by piceapungens
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To: dirtboy

"Yeah, there are lots of older high-tech workers out there who haven't gotten jobs since the 2002 slump. How about hiring them back first and THEN we'll talk about bringing in more H1-B visa folks?"

Absolutely. Employers love green-card workers because they can treat them "anyhow they want" (in the words of one of them) - the green-cards need employer-certification in order to stay here.

When a slow-down occurs, guess who are the first workers to get laid off? (Not the green-cards.)


22 posted on 05/04/2006 7:59:09 AM PDT by RAldrich
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

H1-B is basically to the skilled worker, what the open border is to the unskilled... just more of our representatives selling us down the pike.. COMPLETE AND TOTAL SCAM!!! Folks that support this should be tried and shot as the traitors they are.


23 posted on 05/04/2006 8:01:14 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: areafiftyone
"Many of these students are studying engineering, science and technology, which are vital for the future competitiveness of our country

Many of the students are loyal to their mother countries, and are here to exploit our military technology.

24 posted on 05/04/2006 8:01:53 AM PDT by itsahoot ("God has given to each a measure of Faith") See we don't even get to pick how much of that we have.)
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To: FormerLib

I dumped Allen long back.


25 posted on 05/04/2006 8:02:21 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: orinoco
If you need trained people why not train Americans?

EXACTLY! Why not encourage American students to take up these courses and train them? Its as if we Americans don't exist anymore. Politicians seem to be ignoring us!

26 posted on 05/04/2006 8:02:52 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: dirtboy
Problem is that those in charge are in their 40's ( and some in their 30's). They are intimidated by the maturity and experience of the older professionals and they feel threatened. The H1-B's are grateful for the job and therefore the forty year olds have an easier time managing them (i.e. H1-B's are no threat to their jobs).
27 posted on 05/04/2006 8:03:49 AM PDT by orinoco
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To: orinoco
Problem is that those in charge are in their 40's ( and some in their 30's).

And that raises the other issue - health care costs. That is the dirty little secret here - companies want younger H1-B workers partially so they don't have to pay the health care costs of older workers.

28 posted on 05/04/2006 8:04:52 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: areafiftyone

How about some attention to our own people, George? Our own people need jobs.


29 posted on 05/04/2006 8:06:30 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: areafiftyone

As I mentioned in post 20 they don't like paying high salaries to their employees.


30 posted on 05/04/2006 8:07:00 AM PDT by orinoco
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To: dirtboy

Excellent point!


31 posted on 05/04/2006 8:07:51 AM PDT by orinoco
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To: areafiftyone
I have my first disagreement with Senator Allen.

Just say no to H1B's.

These guys never ever go back to their home country and take jobs Americans will do.

If we need more tech people then change some of the many liberal arts colleges to Math and Science.
32 posted on 05/04/2006 8:10:57 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: OKIEDOC
If we need more tech people then change some of the many liberal arts colleges to Math and Science.

Yep, tell students entering college that they should study computer science for four years and then graduate into a field where the wages are agressively being kept down by importing foreign workers. And once you get into your forties, companies will want to lay you off.

That's a great way to get more CompSci majors in this country.

33 posted on 05/04/2006 8:14:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: OKIEDOC; All
Besides this I have two other disagreements with Senator Allen:

1) Senator Supports S. Korea's Visa Waiver (George Allen)

2) Sen. Allen's Journey Of Racial Conciliation (apologizing for slavery)

34 posted on 05/04/2006 8:14:50 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone; Corin Stormhands

Oh, wonderful. Fifty thousand more H-1Bs that I'll be competing with the next time I change employers. I'm pretty confident about my ability to get a job should I have to--I've done it before--but I've had way too many friends, skilled programmers, who have been out of the field for YEARS after getting laid off while companies are bringing in Indians by the thousands. And my wife's worked for an immigration lawyer and has seen the tricks these companies use--believe me, they find ways around the rules about having to advertise the jobs for Americans first, and having to pay prevailing wages to the visaholder.

Free trade is one thing and I'm for it where it doesn't impact national security. But with a big labor glut out there in the IT industry, why the heck do we need 50,000 more H-1Bs a year? We don't.

}:-)4


35 posted on 05/04/2006 8:15:27 AM PDT by Moose4 (Please don't call me "white trash." I prefer "Caucasian recyclable.")
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To: Moose4
And my wife's worked for an immigration lawyer and has seen the tricks these companies use--believe me, they find ways around the rules about having to advertise the jobs for Americans first, and having to pay prevailing wages to the visaholder.

Yep, I've seen those games firsthand. Of course companies are squawking that there is a shortage - the alternative would be to hire back the older workers they jettisoned in 2002.

36 posted on 05/04/2006 8:17:52 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

All the more reason to support HSAs - it would help with the age discrimination issue if health care is not necessary as a benefit (ie not tied to the job).


37 posted on 05/04/2006 8:18:28 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: dirtboy
Yep, tell students entering college that they should study computer science for four years and then graduate into a field where the wages are aggressively being kept down by importing foreign workers. And once you get into your forties, companies will want to lay you off.

That's a great way to get more CompSci majors in this country.
I agree with you.

We have to put a moratorium on the importation of intelligence.

We have the ability but our government people are way to lazy to take the means necessary to establish America as the world leader in high tech graduates.
38 posted on 05/04/2006 8:19:45 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: TXBSAFH

And we should send our sons and daughters to top engineering schools and incur $ 120,000.00 debt doing it because??


39 posted on 05/04/2006 8:30:07 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: dirtboy

Time for a cleaning out of D. C. WHORES!


40 posted on 05/04/2006 8:31:58 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: cinives
All the more reason to support HSAs - it would help with the age discrimination issue if health care is not necessary as a benefit (ie not tied to the job).

I agree with you there - we need to come up with a way to decouple health insurance from jobs. It would eliminate a lot of age discrimination.

41 posted on 05/04/2006 8:32:02 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
companies want younger H1-B workers partially so they don't have to pay the health care costs of older workers

ding! ding! ding! we have a winnah! Of course you also have to add the fact that H1-B's work for 20-30% less than natives, and don't talk back or threaten to leave if they get treated like dirt.

42 posted on 05/04/2006 8:54:23 AM PDT by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head (13EAEE4)
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To: Orbiting_Rosie's_Head

I have a PhD in Electrical Engineering and I know firsthand that the H1-B program is a FRAUD.


43 posted on 05/04/2006 8:57:30 AM PDT by lsjogren
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To: Corin Stormhands
Support George Allen

Senator George Allen 2006

44 posted on 05/04/2006 9:01:16 AM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: areafiftyone

Pass it on.....


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45 posted on 05/04/2006 9:08:30 AM PDT by dcnd9
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To: Semper Paratus

second that, what about our american highly skilled college graduates who can't get jobs. He lost my vote for sure now and no more money to these pandering gop'ers


46 posted on 05/04/2006 9:16:57 AM PDT by dubyawhoiluv
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To: areafiftyone

What type of VISAS will be given to all of the illegal aliens?


47 posted on 05/04/2006 9:17:07 AM PDT by petkus
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To: sinkspur
I know over 50 Experienced Cobol programmers who have not been able to work in IT for years. Some of those worked for IBM, including myself. We were laid off because programmers in Pakistan were going to do our job for a 10th of the cost.
And we are not talking about rookies here; we had programmers with 7 to 15 years of experience.
48 posted on 05/04/2006 9:24:42 AM PDT by gedeon3
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To: dubyawhoiluv

"what about our american highly skilled college graduates who can't get jobs."

Americans can't get free housing, health care, food, energy, etc while working and would thus require higher pay as well as health care insurance.


49 posted on 05/04/2006 9:24:52 AM PDT by VOATNOW1
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