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The Prison of the Present(Victor David Hanson on war.)
Real Clear Politics ^ | May 09, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/08/2006 10:11:36 PM PDT by kellynla

Listen to the present televised hysteria. Too few troops! No, too many still there! The CIA is out of control! No, it is weak and irrelevant! The Iraq mess only empowered Iran! No, its democratic experiment is the best way to undermine that neighboring theocracy.

Such frenzy of the 24-hour news cycle is now everywhere, as we are lectured that our victories over the Taliban and Saddam Hussein have caused as many problems as they solved.

But in war aren't choices usually between the bad and the far worse? So often victory leads not to utopia, but only something better.

Take our past ambiguous successes. Recall that the outcome of America's horrific, but successful, Civil War that ended slavery led not to racial harmony. Instead followed over a decade of failed Reconstruction and another century of Jim Crow apartheid in the South.

We saved a reeling Britain and France in World War I. But an isolationist United States did not occupy a defeated Germany. So we fought a resurgent Hitler little more than twenty years later, who talked of the 'stab in the back,' while he bragged that imperial Germany had withdrawn unbeaten from foreign soil.

The outcome of World War II (note the sudden need for the Roman numerals) was not perpetual peace or even the freedom of Eastern Europe, but rather its enslavement and a Cold War of a half-century.

The United States prevailed in saving South Korea. Yet it still bequeathed a lunatic nuclear communist state to our grandchildren.

Gulf War I was a smashing success. But it was followed by the slaughter of tens of thousands of Shiites and Kurds, twelve years of no-fly zones, and yet another war against Saddam.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: america; vdh; victordavishanson; war

1 posted on 05/08/2006 10:11:38 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: Admin Moderator

please correct the typo on the author
thanks


2 posted on 05/08/2006 10:12:56 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: Tolik

ping


3 posted on 05/08/2006 10:14:06 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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When folks discuss the war in Iraq & Afghanistan with me;
I remind them that when I was in Viet Nam we were losing four to five hundred a WEEK!

To have liberated TWENTY-FIVE MILLION PEOPLE in three years with less than two thousand KIA's borders on miraculous!

And as far as the WMD; when we captured Saddam Hussein, we found the WMD in Iraq!

Semper Fi,
Kelly
4 posted on 05/08/2006 10:23:20 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Victor Davis Hanson BTTT.


5 posted on 05/08/2006 10:26:23 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: kellynla
This article makes very good sense against the crapheaded hysterics that I have been posting against.

The Left Media will ignore this entirely, as they are the ones inventing the hysterics on purpose.

You, me and everybody are not supposed to feel good as long as there is a Republican in the White House.

When there is a Democrat in the White House then all the Left Media is aglow with the wonders of democracy and how special our system works with checks and balances.

When there is a Republican, then it's all about the evils of power and you can't trust the government.

Their game is finished in this New Media Age. In the past people would get fatigued by all the negativity and elect change without even knowing they have been manipulated. But these days people have alternatives to cBS, NYSlimes etc. And so they are killing their own viewer ratings and circulation numbers.
6 posted on 05/08/2006 10:27:39 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: kellynla
Recent statistic I ran across. In the last 3 weeks of WWII, as they drove victoriously into Berlin, what do you think Russian casualties were? Just the last 3 weeks, mind.

93,000 killed in action. 320,000 more wounded. Between the middle of April and the 7th of May.

7 posted on 05/08/2006 10:35:01 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: kellynla

Many young Americans when they sing our National Anthem at their school games mouth the words but know not what they mean. They should learn and understand the meaning of the four verses in that noble song, and especially the last.

O thus be it ever when free-men shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust!”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!


8 posted on 05/08/2006 10:56:51 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: kellynla

As Captain 'Lucky Jack' Aubrey of the HMS Surprise would say..."In the Royal Navy,one must always choose the lesser of 2 weevils"


9 posted on 05/08/2006 11:47:07 PM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: Berlin_Freeper
But why did a poorer, less educated, and more illiberal United States in far bloodier and more error-ridden wars of the past still have greater confidence in itself? Was it that our ancestors, who died younger and far more tragically, did not expect their homeland to be without flaws, only to be considerably better than the enemy's?

Perhaps we have forgotten such modesty because we have ignored the study of history that alone offers us guidance from our forbearers. It now competes as an orphan discipline with social science, -ologies and -isms that entice us into thinking that the more money and education of the present can at last perfect the human condition and thus consign our flawed past to irrelevance.

Mortality is a human failing. And it is deeply embarasssing to secularists. As Mark Steyn pointed out recently:
In The Cube and the Cathedral, George Weigel begins his lively dissection of "politics without God" with a bracing series of questions, including the following:
"Why do certain parts of Europe exhibit a curious, even bizarre, approach to death? Why did so many of the French prefer to continue their summer vacations during the European heat wave of 2003, leaving their parents unburied and warehoused in refrigerated lockers (which were soon overflowing)? Why is death increasingly anonymous in Germany, with no death notice in the newspapers, no church funeral ceremony, no secular memorial service -- 'as though,' Richard John Neuhaus observed, 'the deceased did not exist'?"
People who have the effrontery to exhibit the human frailty of mortality (as will we all, pending the Second Coming) must be "unpersons" - their existence an embarassment to be swept under the rug.
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

Washington's Farewell Address


10 posted on 05/09/2006 12:50:04 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: kellynla; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out.

Links: FR Index of his articles:  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=victordavishanson 
His website: http://victorhanson.com/     NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp

11 posted on 05/09/2006 5:15:22 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: kellynla
To have liberated TWENTY-FIVE MILLION PEOPLE in three years with less than two thousand KIA's borders on miraculous!

You might also point out to them that "two thousand KIA's" represents roughly the first half-hour of Omaha Beach.

12 posted on 05/09/2006 2:22:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

well I wasn't at Omaha Beach but I was in Nam in 1969.


13 posted on 05/09/2006 2:29:06 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"We need it. Ours is the first generation of Americans that thinks it can demand perfection in war. Our present leisure, wealth, and high technology fool us into thinking that we are demi-gods always be able to trump both human and natural disasters. Accordingly, we become frustrated that we cannot master every wartime obstacle, as we seem otherwise to be able to do with computers or cosmetic surgery. Then, without any benchmarks of comparison from the past, we despair that our actions are failed because they are not perfect.

But why did a poorer, less educated, and more illiberal United States in far bloodier and more error-ridden wars of the past still have greater confidence in itself? Was it that our ancestors, who died younger and far more tragically, did not expect their homeland to be without flaws, only to be considerably better than the enemy's?"

This sums up what is lacking in liberals and the ideas they teach in America. This is the truth that David Horowitz finally found out which brought him out of communist lies and to conservatism.

14 posted on 05/10/2006 8:28:58 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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