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Until they start building the wall it's just smoke and mirrors.

And the funny thing is...a WALL is nothing but smoke and mirrors to a large extent as well (yet that is what you want). There are already large sections of walls across our borders and they do not solve a thing.

An additional reality is many of the new wave of "illegals" over the past 20 years (since R. Reagan's full amnesty bill with no requirements) did not come here via being "illegal" from day one. Many of them came here on "worker permits" and have simply never reported back and overstayed there permitted time - Thus they are now illegal.

A wall doesn't do a thing to stop this -

GWB is taking a 40 year in the making problem and trying to work within the current framework the best he can. That some on the "right" now are not allowing for good men to come to any differences of opinion on the best way to solve this long in the making problem is absurd.

GWB is a d*mn fine President and one hell of a CIC. This Country should be honored to have a man of such character and quiet yet steady resolve. These are two qualities sorely lacking among men of this world anymore.

And the funny thing is...a WALL is nothing but smoke and mirrors to a large extent as well (yet that is what you want). There are already large sections of walls across our borders and they do not solve a thing.

Wrong. The existing walls have signficantly curtailed illegal immigration where they are standing. The illegal immigration shifts elsewhere, but that is not because the walls are failures, but because they are not nearly complete enough.

Bravo. Excellent points. Dry up the jobs, dry up the social services and support for illegal immigrants and the problem will be greatly mitigated. I don't think you can "solve" it anymore than any other illegal activity can be completely solved.

Walls seem like a great idea to some, and they may be for some situations, but can anyone tell me where a wall was used successfully to keep people out as opposed to keeping people in? The Great Wall of China was 4000 miles long. It didn't work and it is/was made of more solid stuff than whatever we'll try. How about that Maginot Line? That did a great job of keeping unwanted Germans out of France. Who'da thunk they would just go around? No doubt Mexicans would just throw themselves unto the wire and minefields or drown in the gator invested moats that I'm sure we would actually build.

And kudos for standing up for the President. I'm proud he is my President. He is a man of honor and integrity and I'd stand with him rather than with a legion of anonymous keyboard commandos.

"WALL is nothing but smoke and mirrors"

try selling that line of BS to the Israelis!