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I've noticed that you continue to impune the motives of those who disagree with you. You seem suspicious of the "motives" of those who refuse to accept as facts your pronouncements. You accuse people of lying...when some of the things you post are "spun" to reflect your view. Try to make your points without insulting those who you have not convinced. Why don't you compare and post the record of illegals turned back under Clinton (don't accuse me of being a troll now) and Bush? And be honest about the six million claim. That includes the turn arounds who are the same people crossing multiple times, sometimes in the same week and it is clearly a newly manufactured number to try to reduce the heat on Bush for his lack of performance.......not 6 million people at all and no dimunition of the illegal flow at all either. Now if he has done such a great job in his past six years why are the numbers coming across the border continuing to grow while he continues the nonsense about giving illegals a path to citizenship while they remain here illegally not being amnesty? Even he admitted we have not controlled the border during his 6 years in office in his speech.

If you impune my motives speak plainly, Just what do you think my motives are? And while we are on that tack, why do you continue to support rewarding those who come to our country illegally? Just what are your motives in this debate? I'm not impuning your motives, I'm not "suspicious" of you, I just don't understand why you are not for protecting our country's sovereignty. It just seems to me you are more interested in defending a bad decision by Bush. Bush has done next to nothing to enforce the federal laws prohibiting the employment of illegal aliens and that is well documented. I believe he has only added token increases to the border patrol that do not come close to those authorized by congress. GWB has been for citizenship for illegal aliens since he first became President. Cite me once where he has taken the position that illegals should be arrested, punished, and deported. Just show me one time..His position is the namby-pamby we are a country of immigrants. That is not true. We are a country of people who legally immigrated mostly before Roosevelt turned us into a welfare state magnet of free services for non citizens. If he really thinks the illegal aliens should be citizens he should be for having them apply from their legal status as citizens of their home country, not as criminals sapping off the taxpayer largess in our country. Accusing people of lying is the kind of rhetoric that causes these forums to degenerate into personal rants and tyrades. Please.

BUMP!

Exacting and thorough reasoning. This kind of thoughtful explication...all while remaining paintstakingly polite in spite of insinuating provocation by adversary schills... is why Free Republic is simply the best. It is the national watering hole for conservatives.

Truth will win out, in the marketplace of ideas.

When the fact is it doesn't matter if 6 million have been deported or not, with the border insecure they simply return within hours or days. The important number is not how many have been deported, the important number is how many are here, and how many more are entering illegally as we speak.

Deporting people with no way to assure they will stay deported is a waste of time and money. And that is the reason so many of us say the first step needs to be securing the border.