Unfortunately, this is a problem that actually needs a solution not just the Perpetual Whiners squalling. We are reaching a tipping point where Illegal Immigration will include so many people it will be totally unfix-able soon.
The President has offered up a solution. Those who don't like it should be offering up an alternative instead of just squealing how much they hate Bush. Screaming slogans like "Enforce the laws" and "Secure the border" may make the screamers feel good, it is not a solution. The system is broke, it needs fixing. Screaming is NOT fixing.
One of the 1st Illegals threads I wandered into by mistake taught me that. They were all patting each other on the back for how smart and tough they were and bragging how they would vote for the 1st politicians who "promised to issue a shoot on sight order". They simply are motivated by hysteric hate and ignorance. They have no desire for any real solution and merely want the excuse to squeal their angst and rage at the Government. Sorry they lead such pathetic lives this is all they are capable of is mindless rage and hate. That is NOT our problem. We need solutions to real problems, not their self absorbed angst and mindless bigotry.
Newt is merely pandering, not actually offering end solutions. "Setting Border security first" is a slogan, not a solution. The President put Border Security first in his plan and his speech. Notice how none of the Perpetual Whiners even bothered to listen.
How do we do it Newt? He is done. He will not be the Candidate in 2008. Republicans value leaders, not Media Whores. Newt has decided to do his McCain impersonation. It will kill his chances.
Bravo.
Too bad for you that the "Perpetual Whiners" as you call them are the very people you need to keep an alliance with if you are to have any chance at gaining/retaining power. Newt has offered an alternative as have others. Last I checked, we still have the freedom in this country to disagree with our President.
I'll ready concede that enforcing the laws and securing the border is not a full solution. Yes, we will still need to deal with the 11+ million illegals who are here and the legitimate need by some employers for cheap immigrant labor.
But enforcing the laws and securing the border (and by the way, dealing with visa overstays and changing the law on anchor babies) would be a good start.
I don't understand the reasoning of the Democrats, the Senate moderate Republicans and the President that anything we do on illegal immigration has to be a complete package or nothing at all. Enforcing the laws and securing the border is something the government ought to be doing anyway.
Newt, by the way, is one of the smartest Republicans there is, but if his candidacy ever begins looking viable, the MSM will paint him as the personification of evil the likes of which we haven't seen since Nixon.
Well, if you (a) don't believe that securing the border and enforcing our laws are solutions to the problem and (b) those supporting the enforcement of our laws against illegal immigration are bigots filled with mindless rage and hate and live pathetic lives.........
Are you really a conservative?
Well, I'm not whining. I'm voting with my feet. Going to keep them propped up on a cushion come Nov. These pols are all the same. CROOKS, LIARS, and feeding at the public trough. No wonder many of them are on the side of doing nothing about the illegals. They're all one and the same---oportunist, and all feeding off the taxpayer. The illegals are THEIR constituients.
"Of course the collection of Perpetual Whiners who are the hard core of the "Anti Illegal" threads don't want a solution."
You are just dead wrong.
In addition, you are insulting people that have stood shoulder to shoulder with you on many conservative issues.
To call those of us who see the Presidents plan as wrong and ineffective whiners doesn't help.
Go after the damn employers. Fine the hell out them.
Six thousand National Guard troops on the border, with empty guns and no authority to enforce ANYTHING is absurd, and IS equivalent to "putting lipstick on a pig".
It SCREAMS the proposition that the President is NOT a leader and is just another pandering politician.
I have always respected the man and expected much more from him.
Enforcing the law and securing the border are most assuredly huge parts of the solution. And since when is either of those things a "slogan"? Sounds like simple conservative common sense to me.
I think you're still smarting from Harriet Miers' ouster, since you're singing the same tired song you sang during that fiasco; to wit, anyone with a modicum of criticism for or disagreement to GWB or the GOP is just "screaming", "whining" and "angry." But it is good to see you've stop SHOUTING every OTHER word.
I agree with wholeheartedly with everything you wrote up until this point.
Newt is one of the few politicians on either side who actually has ideas. All of the others are one dimensional or getting by on their personality and pretty faces.
Immigration is a wedge issue to split the "ultra right wing" of the republican party.
The illegal problem has been with us for twenty years. Why all of a sudden is it the primary issue just before this particular election ?