Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog
Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
Well, I'd better not hear any of that "teach the GOP a lesson" talk from you then, huh?
We can set the dogs between two fences along the boarder and call it the Bull Ring.
I can't decide if you're brave or just plain foolish. Maybe you need to put on my dunce cap and sit in the corner next.
How long are you going to carry on about this nonsense? Seriously, it's getting old. Why don't we just fast foward to the final episode and get it over with?
I'm late to this thread, Vicomte13, but thank you for that. I suspect you've already been ripped a new one, further down, and I haven't seen it yet. But what you've said, and said well, genuinely needed saying. It's not irretrievable yet, close to being so, but not quite. That's the tattered optimism to which I was referring, yesterday. This still has to get past the House.
LOL! I don't frequent those threads. Maybe I should start?
Why not both? Your case was not convincing.
I'm hopeless.
You haven't and won't.
Criticism still can and will flow from this-here keyboard, when warranted.
You're not. He pulls that regularly with Howlin.
I understand that completely.
Please do not talk to me like I am some political novice that doesn't know what he's doing.
Before I vote for ANYONE I check their voting record, or backround if they haven't been in politics before, to see how they ACTED, not talked.
I don't need Rush to tell me what I need to know. He's a great source of information but he's not my guiding light.
There is a difference between Republican and conservative, and a difference between Democrat and liberal.
Until people understand that the parties will change nothing because the "party faithful" will continue to vote a straight ticket.
There are good and bad people on either side.
“If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.” -- Benjamin Franklin
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first-ahead of personal glory."
--Paul Bear Bryant
Unity to be real must stand the severest strain without breaking.
--Mahatma Gandhi
He whose ranks are united in purpose will be victorious.
--Sun Tzu
<< It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.
We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as "we" maintain our overall majority in the Senate. >>
Poor fellow, you seem conflicted. None of those you mentioned are "ours," if it is Republicans you're talking to.
And if you would vote "Democrat" in Rhode Island or any place else, come to that, why would any man of sound mind and steadfast adherence to integrity believe anything else you say about being on "our" side?
Not to be unnecessarily particular about your specific analogies, but the immigration issue - especially - and his stand on it goes beyond 'parsley'.
I'm not even bringing up CFR, for example. I'm not sure we'd equate that with parsely either.
We're divided not because our party is 'less than perfect'. We're divided because it appears, in the Senate especially, that there isn't the pretention to conservative values. The Senate feels they can get away with it, because our President hasn't exactly ruled the party with any particular discipline.
The most important example of this is Arlen Specter. There was a quote from him the other day implying that the GOP was essentially the party of moderates, and getting more so every day, and that it was a GOOD thing. The party backed Specter over Toomey (I believe) when they knew better.
While I would agree that it is abundantly clear to anyone not living beneath a stone for the last three years that the MSM is a decidedly liberal organ, I would disagree that THEY are the enemy.
The enemy is our party's belief that it takes one set of principles to get elected, and another to govern.
Unlike liberals, conservatives actually adhere to a basic set of principles and expect the people elected on the basis of sharing those principles to adhere to them as well.
It goes beyond parsely. FR is wonderful from the perspective of being an active, perpetual caucus. It's not from the perspective of its potential for exploitation from liberals.
I'm afraid the good must go with the bad. I'm not sure the President would have even bothered with an address to the country were it NOT for the influence of this forum in particular.
I'm resigned with getting half a loaf from the political process, and often less. In this case, with immigration, we are talking about something far less than that. Our President's stand is going to be a whopping bill we leave for our kids that will compare pretty favorably to the bills we are already COMMITTED to leaving for Social Security and Medicare.
I'm afraid your analogy puts a better face on the situation than what is merited.
Not convincing?
Lemme see - Reagan signed an amnesty and did not secure the border. Illegal immigration increased.
Bush started talking guest worker program without the border secured. Illegal immigration increased.
It has long been a tenet of conservatism that if government rewards bad behavior, you tend to get more of it. And that is clearly the case here. If we fail to secure the border and have either a guest worker program or some kind of amnesty or both, history CLEARLY shows it will only increase illegal immigration as people stream here to be in position for the next legislation trying to deal with the fact that we left the door open.
Brutal is right - I don't think working for the enemy does anything but give the enemy more time in the power seat...
Your premise is incorrect. Vicomte13 is not working for the enemy; neither am I. He has explained repeatedly in this thread how the GOP can win the election and re-energise its base. You simply don't accept the reality of what is necessary. That's what is brutal about his logic.
This thing continues to move in our direction.
Unless this is one of those patented Senatorial-procedural-hocus-pocus-thingies ... the Sessions amendment passing is great news!
Seems to be some confusion, I never brought up GWB. Others did, I responded. You asked me a pointed question about his picks, I answered. Now I'm a complainer,,LOL.
Perhaps you didn't read the entire exchange. Understandable on a thread moving as fast as this one.
BTW, I'll take note of your opinion on GWBs judicial selections, but I still maintain the jury is still out. I can still remember all the talk about how the picks by Reagan and Bush1 were conservative.
I need to get out of here and run some errands. It has been fun, enlightening and there have been excellent responses from all sides of some of our arguments.
Have a great FReepin day.
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