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To: Vicomte13

I disagree with your methods as they are too dangerous for the battles we are facing.

We don't need 10% here quitting, 10% there quitting - we need all working toward our goals. There has to be a way to get the word to the party without the silly tantrums and losing of elections as they are far too costly in today's environment. We are not under the former Pres. Bush's America - we have more enemies than we can handle.

I refer you to Halgr's post with his theory of our real situation and it is something to think about.

Halgr's post #2039

"Yes I am enraged over our policy of kowtowing to Mexico and terrible border security and Immigration realities that are an embarrasment.

However, I have come to the conclusion these last several years that there is a darker issue afoot.

The Leftist/Communists/NWO aren't dummys, they have a well planned and so far well implimented agenda that is taking the Constitution and America down. (Think NEA, ACLU, The Media et el)

For a while, I thought that Bush wasn't a part of that "Conspiracy"....I let my idealism and patriotism get the best of me especially after 9-11...I wanted to believe that Bush was an honorable and rightous man, above the corruption and beyond the conspiracy.

Too many things that he has done and said of late have convinced me otherwise now....and I am angry not only with the situation but with myself for allowing myself to be suckered in.....and angry that things are worse than they appear on the surface....and that my children and grandchildren are going to see America dismantled....taken to a second or third world position.

And then I am angry with myself for my lack of Faith.....not consistantly believing that God is indeed IN CONTROL and that He is going to use this evil for His Own Eternal Purposes and Prophetic Fulfillment....I forget that all too often.

The Patriot Act, the National ID card, etc....have all been or will be snuck in on the tail of public outcry...."They" did and are doing a great job of getting us closer to 1984 (Orwell) and we conservatives for the most part remain oblivious, naive and unorganized.

But the bad guys are smarter than we think...they have infiltrated even the hallowed halls of conservatism so that there is no chance of organizing or fighting the wave as it washes over us for they are everywhere and they know the who, where and why of true American Patriots....they are just accumulating data for that time when they can take us out....and we will be powerless and probably by that time, weaponless too.

I think their game plan now is to eradicate the "Middle Class"....bring wages down to the point where "we" are scrounging to survive too exhausted to voice our malcontent.
(Think NAFTA)

I've seen articles about the NWO (Council of Foreign Relations) describing a North America somewhat like the EU....to a great extent Borderless....so that America gets watered down to such an extent as to vanish. I think there is even a plan to begin to impliment this in 2010!

I'll even come further out from underneath my rock and say that the arabs are being used, set up and exploited and yes radical islam is being fanned like a fire....but alas they are not the real enemy...just an accessory to bring whatever plans the real bad guys have, to fruition. (Think NeoCons)

Also I believe that the current adversarial battle between republicans and democrats...it's all a show, smoke and mirrors to keep us from seeing the real "man" behind the curtain."


2,128 posted on 05/17/2006 5:22:19 PM PDT by ClancyJ (To cause a democrat to win is the most effective way to destroy this country.)
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To: ClancyJ

"I disagree with your methods as they are too dangerous for the battles we are facing."

Vicomte13's method is to point out a dangerous blind spot, and how to avoid going over a cliff as a result. How would giving the "fence" (and not just a partial one) to this group, in order to avoid a big problem in the fall and possibly 2008, be dangerous for the battles we are facing? It would heal a dangerous rift, just as Alito's nomination healed a dangerous rift.


2,131 posted on 05/17/2006 5:28:03 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ClancyJ
Oooooooooooo...it's the Jooooooooooooooos, the Trilats, the Buildyourownburgers, Skull&Bones, the Masons, the Illuminati, the Gnomes of Switzerland, and how many other pet bogeymen?

Are you seeing the black helicopters circling your house, these days? LOL

2,189 posted on 05/17/2006 6:34:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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