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To: Cold Heat
"Cancel all foreign Visa's?"

That is exactly what some of the loudest detractors of the president's attempts to control the border want: a hermetically sealed society. If you believe such a thing is not only impossible (it's been tried) but hurtful to our country both socially and economically, you are an evil globalist.

They are the all or nothing crowd. They demand all or nothing and get nothing. The rest of us lose.

2,819 posted on 05/18/2006 8:35:45 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: cake_crumb

"They are the all or nothing crowd. They demand all or nothing and get nothing. The rest of us lose."

What they demanded was a sea-to-sea fence and no amnesty by any name, and enforcement of existing law.

What they got was not a fence, guest worker and no serious mention of enforcement.

They aren't angry because they didn't get ALL of their agenda. They are angry because they not only didn't get ANY of it, but the President reasserted his intention to do the OPPOSITE of it: a "virtual" fence (but not a real one), guest worker, national worker ID cards, eventual amnesty by another name.

They demanded something, they got nothing and worse than nothing - they got the inverse of their agenda.
So they are angry.
And you're right, we all lose...
unless they are brought back.
The only way to bring them back is to give them something.
Given the passions and political and economic calculations, you CAN'T give them harsh internal enforcement at this time - the business Republicans will bolt; and you CAN'T give them "No amnesty or guest worker, ever" for the same reason, and also because a lot of people agree with the President that it's too hard and too mean to deport 20 million people who are already here.

But we CAN stop playing games and strike the "virtual" fence for a fence. Period. A physical barrier, sea to sea, which the Border Patrol will patrol. Everyone knows that will be quite effective (which is why the open borders types want something virtual, and less effective, as opposed to something real, and effective).

Give them their fence, and nobody loses except the Democrats.


2,825 posted on 05/18/2006 8:43:20 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: cake_crumb
Yes, it appears the anti-globalist's, gold bugs, and a large segment of the libertine isolationists who's views are actually contrary to their platform are all in bed with every assorted bunch of activist's on a variety of social issues from environment to the majority/minority alarmists and total disaster, end of times anarchists.

That's a bunch is "ist's".:-)

2,839 posted on 05/18/2006 9:11:28 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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