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To: Vicomte13
Universal prosecution and deportation and penalties are unreasonable and unrealistic. But a FENCE, that is reasonable, and realistic, and in the end it is the MOST IMPORTANT piece of the immigration battle anyway, because THAT stops the flow.

I agree with you on the fence. I think that is doable this year in a compromise too. I think a universal ID card with strong sanctions for hiring illegals would be a lot more effective, however.

973 posted on 05/17/2006 11:29:18 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Vicomte13

Sessions R-AL Amendment:

Funds construction for 370 miles of fence and 500 miles of vehicle barriers along the US-Mexico border.

Passed: 83
Against: 16


1,149 posted on 05/17/2006 11:57:27 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
I agree with you on the fence. I think that is doable this year in a compromise too. I think a universal ID card with strong sanctions for hiring illegals would be a lot more effective, however.

Not all border intruders are coming here for jobs. They don't care about IDs or whether an employer hires them or not. Many are gang members, pure and simple, or just plain criminals who come here to engage in criminal activity. 35% of the inmate population in U.S. prisons are illegal aliens. 35%! By most estimates, illegal aliens make up less than 5% of our overall population while they disproportionately make up 35% of our prison population. And they're not in there for immigration-related crimes.

1,177 posted on 05/17/2006 12:02:21 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Smogger

"I think a universal ID card with strong sanctions for hiring illegals would be a lot more effective, however."

National ID card, eh?

"Police, vos papiers, s'il vous plait!"

Bush and the Senate Republicans can't go after employers too hard. It will damage the business base. They have a delicate balancing act to do here. Unfortunately, on Monday night the President didn't balance anything and repeated his previous position using prettier words.

The BorderBots got nothing and they know it.
No amnesty, EVER, is what some BorderBots want...but that's too hard and too mean for the rest of the electorate. Can't do that.
A national ID card in order to work will freak out libertarians. Not only that, but remember that the business base wants to keep the cheap labor.

But a Fence...an Isreali-style wall out in the middle of nowhere...well, THAT takes care of the problem of flow long term, without sending in the cops after business contributors, without damaging the existing labor pool, which is being utilized for a profit, and without making Americans have to carry papers in order to work like the French do.

The Fence is the Solomonic compromise here.
Also, it starts saving more money than it costs right away, because wherever you build it, illegals go elsewhere to cross, and as it becomes more complete, fewer leave Oaxaca in the first place. Fewer illegals means dramatically lower social welfare expenditures.'

Give them the Fence, and over the long run America remains Anglo-Saxon, English speaking, and blue collar Americans will have greater job stability...long term.

Short term, the BorderBots all come out and vote for the GOP in November because the Democrats will stop building the Fence.

The Fence is the saving move.


1,636 posted on 05/17/2006 1:47:09 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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