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"I haven't seen any difference in the Senate"

Senate voted FOR a well in their new Bill..and The Swimmer and The Dick Durbin voted against that.
When you put The Swimmer in charge, there goes the wall.

"the House yes the Senate no"

The Imibots on this site have been calling for Republicans to stay home in November, House or Senate.
Plus when they have the conference between the House and the Senate to reconcile their bills, with the Republicans in the majority in both committees, there is a very good chance that

# 1, we'll have a wall that is closer to the House's version that the Senate's.

and # 2, the more obnoxious parts of the Senate's bill(like citizenship for i;legals) will not survive

"but then we are supposed to have the executivce branch, the President not them"

Ummm.....we have the executive branch, but laws are passed by the Congress.

Welcome to FR!

Ummm.....we have the executive branch, but laws are passed by the Congress.

And the President can veto them or lead them in the right direction with his threat of a veto, just like we the people can use our power, of course since he has vetoed nothing they are not afraid of his veto, and if we the people do nothing they are not afraid of our power.

I repeat:

The GOP needs to know there are two parts to the equation, big business with money and voters with votes. Grassroots voters can beat money when they put forth a big effort.

The GOP needs to withhold money from traitors up for reelection and give it to up and coming conservatives.

The President and Congress needs to be reminded they are on a team and they need to be a team players to accomplish team goals. They need to dance with those that brought them to the ball, If they don't agree on major issues, they should change teams.

Both parties need to be reminded that while we are a Republic, to go against a clear majority means to loose.

Coalitions with common goals like in Iraq can come together to defeat the status quo. Look at how African Americans and the AFL-CIO are positioning themselves on illegal immigration. Issues that have profound effects will always supersede smaller less impacting issues.Illegal immigration and amnesty or legalization may change the course of this nation. I have seen no town hall meetings or public debate on this important issue. Why?Because they are trying to cram it down our throats as they know if what they are trying to do reaches daylight and is exposed they will all be seen for what they are -self serving sellouts,

The GOP is missing the largest opportunity of our lifetimes to grab the majority and annihilate the liberals, Instead by trying to woo the wrong people and going contrary to their principles, they are risking their own annihilation.

The power of a third party or group with major discontent with a party is that their votes and money (power)can spoil the game for one of the other parties. It's like a Police Officers gun, it is there for defense, but if the bad guys know they will never use it it has no power of deterrence.

The GOP needs to know the base and the majority are not afraid to wield their power.(not literally) I am not for giving dems anything, but there is a point where if "warning shots" are fired (as now) and the GOP still refuses to yield, it maybe time to use that power. It is certainly time to remind them in no uncertain terms that WE the PEOPLE have that power and let them know/think that we are not afraid to use it. If they don't think it will be used it is worthless and will change nothing. Is the base bluffing as in poker? Are they willing to go all in and risk losing to gain what they want? Ask the first President Bush what he thinks about calling bluffs...no one knows what someone else will do in that voting booth behind a curtain....those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it...