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Senate backs sending National Guard to patrol border
The Dallas Morning News ^ | 05/22/06 | MICHELLE MITTELSTADT

Posted on 05/22/2006 6:18:14 PM PDT by unseen

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To: Cobra64
Are you sure about that? only 10 Senators voted against this amendment. 83 want the NG to be a dog and pony show. Maybe like the rest of the 98 Senators yours pay lip service then go and vote behind the scenes for the 'soft' approach
61 posted on 05/22/2006 8:50:41 PM PDT by unseen
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To: org.whodat

true that's 4.7 unemployment out of only about 60% of the workforce so in effect we have about 44.7% unemployment of the workforce. Out of that 44.7% granted some do not want to work (i.e stay at home mothers or fathers etc but there is still a large percentage of workers not employed) then the elitists leaders wonder why GWB isn't getting credit for the great economy? Maybe the pollsters have this backwards maybe it's our leaders who are the stupid ones.


62 posted on 05/22/2006 8:54:54 PM PDT by unseen
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To: Indy Pendance
I will never understand why some folks do not consider facts, cannot use reason, logic, and just plain thinking.

I guess it's just one of those "jobs that Americans will not do."GWB. Take that statement and go from there.

63 posted on 05/22/2006 8:55:21 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: GAB-1955
Look the name of the force in question is National GUARDSman. As in guard our nation from attack and invasion. They are suppose to protect and defend our country. The NG duty was not fighting foriegn wars. The NG up until the elimination of the draft had always been to protect and defend the country. Their role changed once it can change again with a strok of a pen. Do I want the NG to be armed? yes. Do I want them to shoot? only if they are shot at which several border patrol agents have been. If we can have armed guardsman in our airports and on the streets of NY then by God we can have them armed on our borders. Do I want them to check papers and identifications at the border? yeap Do I want them to search for illegal drugs and aliens in trucks, cars and tunnels? yeap. Do I want them to be able to detain illegal aliens, drug runner, and people smugglers? yeap. How long do I want them to do this? until the damn border is secure and until we can replace them with border patrol agents. Just sending them down their to 'look good' sends the message to MExico that hey come one come all we don't care.
64 posted on 05/22/2006 9:06:10 PM PDT by unseen
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To: Indy Pendance
I see that the 30% of the Republican party that is left in this country learned nothing from the Meirs debate. You do not repair your party by name calling and insults. You only drive them farther away. Or in Politics it's called getting 30% approval numbers, becoming a lame duck with 2 and half years left in your term. Yeap those people up at the white house sure know what they are doing. Glad they can play hardball with their base. Now wouldn't it be really nice if the WH played hardball with the Dem's for once instead of their base. You think that might actually bring GWB poll numbers back up. What a novel idea be different form the other party so you give the voters a clear reason to support you and vote for you. I'm sure there has to be some genius in the WH that might see this as a good thing. Hmmm yeap glad we don't know politics like them folks up there in that there big white mansion.
65 posted on 05/22/2006 9:15:01 PM PDT by unseen
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To: Indy Pendance

Look it's real simple BUSH is the head of enforcement in the US. He directs the FBI, the ICE, the border patrol. He is also suppose to be a Republican that respects National security. You say Clinton could have prevent 9/11? maybe he could but what happens when the next terrorist attack is caused by people crossing from the Southern border? Will you say the same about Bush. That he should have seen it coming? Hell 80% of the country sees it coming. But Bush is so in the pocket of Big Business that he will not put National Security in front of the wants of the Business elite. And make no mistake this is what the debate is about. The wants of the elite for cheap labor and the need of the population to be secure within their country.


66 posted on 05/22/2006 9:22:18 PM PDT by unseen
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To: Indy Pendance
If bush started rounding up and deport he would be within the law. For the Senate and the house to stop him they would need to pass a law that says the previous law is null and void or they would have to cut off funding. The Republican control the House and Senate. Even the Senate has enough vote to block any new law with a filibuster if every RINO voted with the DEMS. So to stop the president the Congress would have to have a super majority. The president is also the Commander and Chief. He has all the constitutional right to protect our borders. Again the Congress would need a super majority to stop him. So it comes down to do the Republican have the guts to do what's right. They are scared from prop 187 in California's. They do not understand that CA is not the entire nation yet.
67 posted on 05/22/2006 9:29:25 PM PDT by unseen
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To: unseen
Yes, Clinton should have seen it coming, so should have Reagan (oh, amnesty), so should have ford or carter or Johnson or Nixon, etc. And yes, I'll blame them as much as bush, but to solely fault bush when congress and the senate refuse to uphold the EXISTING laws, is irresponsible. And those here who are on the feeding bash bush trough are as guilty as any dem.
68 posted on 05/22/2006 9:32:33 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
On that I agree. But it is not Congress's job to uphold the law. Congress passes laws the president upholds the law and the courts determine if the laws and the upholding of those laws are within the constitutional framework. Like it or not that is how our system works. Is congress guilty of not funding the border patrol? yes. Is Bush guilty of not securing the country after 5years from being attack? yes. Like you say there is enough blame to go around but Bush has the bully pulpit now and he is our leader. So he must get the loins share of the blame because he is still doing the same things that got us into this mess in the first place.
69 posted on 05/22/2006 9:39:41 PM PDT by unseen
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To: unseen
Bush can't do squat until the senate approves whatever they approve. And the problem is we have a wishy-washy senate. Bush can't veto, because the wrong percentage will override. He's in a lose-lose with the senate. We don't have a majority in the senate. That's a fact. All the laws, all what ifs aren't going to change the fact we don't have a real majority. We might have the right numbers of 'r's after some names, but when it comes to voting, we have to get rid of the rinos. At that falls to the states, In other words we have the government we elected, and this is what we got. Blame bush all you want, but, if the senate was strongly conservative, it'd be a completely different game. At least I know I have Kohl and Feingold, I know how they'll vote. We need to have a real majority, not a paper one. So, the bottom line is, we got exactly what we elected.
70 posted on 05/22/2006 9:53:48 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: unseen

The entire Senate is one humongous disappointment!

It's gotten to the point where when they support something you cringe in awaiting the details.


71 posted on 05/22/2006 9:59:44 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Cobra64

I don't remember Ronald Reagan being ab exactly beloved figure for liberals, and he gave them complete amnesty in 1986.

Bush is doing what is necessary to put these immigrants on the path to law obiding, tax paying citizenship. When they are allowed to work under the radar they can leech off American welfare programs and largely in Democratic states too. If they are citizens, we officially have more people to fill in the growing gap between professionals and hard working blue-collar workers.

That's always been my perspective.


72 posted on 06/11/2006 7:27:06 AM PDT by Xing Daorong ("All that is nessessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."-Edmund Burke)
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To: Xing Daorong
If they are citizens, we officially have more people to fill in the growing gap between professionals and hard working blue-collar workers.

Boy, did you drink the cool-aid.

73 posted on 06/11/2006 3:37:19 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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