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Cars run on water: Miracle or scam?
World Net Daily, CNN ^ | 05-20-06

Posted on 05/23/2006 9:27:27 AM PDT by floridaobserver

Though the developer of a technology that uses water to produce a flammable gas says it provides a solution to high gas prices plaguing the nation, detractors claim the businessman's idea is a scam.

Denny Klein is president of Hydrogen Technologies Applications in Clearwater, Fla. His patented machine uses an electrical charge to separate the atoms of H2O into HHO, a gas he calls "Aquygen."

"You get a huge energy response," Klein told the Tampa Tribune. "But this gas is very, very safe."

He first used the fuel to power a welding tool, but soon tried it out in a hybrid automobile.

The flame, though on its own registers just 259 degrees Fahrenheit, heats up to the melting point of whatever substance it touches, explained Steve Lusko, project manager for Hydrogen Technologies Applications.

"For example, when you ignite our flame and touch it to steel, it will cut right through it at 1,400 degrees," Lusko told WND.

"It will melt a hole right through a brick at 4,500 degrees. … It reacts to whatever it touches."

So, Lusko says, the gas has the ability to bond to whatever fuel it is mixed with, like gasoline in a hybrid car.

"Upon combustion, you get a dramatic increase in energy BTUs," he said, "and you get an equally dramatic decrease in emission pollution, because the burn is so highly efficient, what would have come out of the tailpipe as an emission ends up getting burned up and used."

An "electrolyzer" in Klein's 1994 Ford Escort uses electricity from the alternator to initiate the electrolysis process to make the HHO gas out of water, explained Lusko. That gas is then pumped to the manifold and into the gas tank.

"The gas then bonds with the gasoline in the gas tank," Lusko said, "and then upon combustion, that's when you get the reaction, giving you higher gas mileage and cleaner emissions."

Why not run a car with exclusively HHO gas?

"We have combustion engines here that have run completely on our Aquygen," Lusko said, "but it would be a matter of engineering."

Lusko says in tests the mileage of the hybrid vehicle has improved anywhere from 25 to 53 percent.


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KEYWORDS: energy; scam
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To: floridaobserver

SCAM!

A fuel that reacts to whatever it touches, going from 259F to 4500F depending on the melting point? SCAM!

I don't need any shares of his stock.


41 posted on 05/23/2006 9:42:15 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: floridaobserver

It grants an increase in gas mileage. Looks real enough to me. Take that Saudi Arabia.


42 posted on 05/23/2006 9:43:03 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Ranger Drew
Check this out, it's a scam according to (I know...I know) Wikipedia:::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer

43 posted on 05/23/2006 9:43:07 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Nightshift

PING


44 posted on 05/23/2006 9:43:08 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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To: floridaobserver
Sounds like Brown's Gas.
45 posted on 05/23/2006 9:43:38 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: floridaobserver

HHO? LOL. That is just writing H2O differently. Basically what this article is saying is that you will increase the BTU in your gasoline by injecting it with STEAM. I call Bull**** on that one.


46 posted on 05/23/2006 9:44:20 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: floridaobserver
This was posted months ago.
And I'll repeat my response. Chemically, H2O bonds as H-O-H, in that order. Oxygen links twice and Hydrogen links once. You can't make H-H-O -- that would be linking one hydrogren atom to two other atoms. It could be split into ionized H and HO, but that's not what is being claimed.

Someone then told me that I had it all wrong, but couldn't offer a valid counter-argument, or point to a flaw in my reasoning.

TS

47 posted on 05/23/2006 9:44:38 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Without spoilers, do you think (blabberblabber) killed (mumblemumble) or not?)
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To: wolfpat

Excuse me, did you say scam?


48 posted on 05/23/2006 9:45:46 AM PDT by wireman
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To: Ranger Drew
I just think folks ought to wait a bit and see before they offhandedly bash everything.

This thread has certainly earned it. I don't know how many other engineers are here, but being one myself I'd say that there is nothing remotely true or scientifically sound in this. IMO, this sets an even lower bar for CNN.
49 posted on 05/23/2006 9:46:31 AM PDT by proud_yank (A liberal's 'generosity' is limited to the funds available in someone else's account.)
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To: floridaobserver

Why would you have to pump the gas to both the manifold and the gas tank. One or the other should accomplish the desired result.


50 posted on 05/23/2006 9:46:31 AM PDT by khenrich ( Hillary Clinton is focused on the legacy of Hillary Clinton.)
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To: floridaobserver
"For example, when you ignite our flame and touch it to steel, it will cut right through it at 1,400 degrees," Lusko told WND.

Then:

"We have combustion engines here that have run completely on our Aquygen," Lusko said

Sorry. I smell Bee Ess.

51 posted on 05/23/2006 9:46:53 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: floridaobserver

It's a scam until they publish a paper with the reaction mechanism and the amount of energy it takes to create HH0...and keep it stable.


52 posted on 05/23/2006 9:47:20 AM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: JDoutrider
I looked at your link. You could be right, however, I just prefer to have faith in the inventiveness of my fellow man. You know the old saying. "Necessity is the Mother of Invention".

As for the laws of Thermodynamics and Natural Physics,...perhaps they are laws that were made to someday be broken.

Sort of like our immigration laws currently on the books.

53 posted on 05/23/2006 9:47:22 AM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: floridaobserver

Anybody who believes this will believe anything.


54 posted on 05/23/2006 9:48:17 AM PDT by curmudgeonII (One man...and the Lord...are a majority.)
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To: CougarGA7
Dihydrogen Monoxide Facts!!
55 posted on 05/23/2006 9:48:33 AM PDT by proud_yank (A liberal's 'generosity' is limited to the funds available in someone else's account.)
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To: Abathar
Buy a tank of hydrogen and a tank of oxygen and bubble it through a pipe in your gas tank.

Don't forget to keep the tanks far apart, like these guys do.


56 posted on 05/23/2006 9:48:54 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: floridaobserver

Foxnews did a report on this too. According to them, Hummer is developing a small fleet of hummvees for the US Military that use this guys technology.


57 posted on 05/23/2006 9:49:34 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: floridaobserver

I tried it. It melted a hole clear through my engine block, dropped down, melted through the roadsurface, and kept on going. Prolly in China, by now...


58 posted on 05/23/2006 9:50:47 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Seems to me you've lived your life like a Camel in the wind - blowing smoke from both ends)
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To: Ranger Drew

"I just think folks ought to wait a bit and see before they offhandedly bash everything."

Idiots often engage their mouth before putting thier brain into gear.

Thank God people on this forum weren't inventing things over the last few thousand years.

We'd still be eating berries and hiding from saber tooths.


59 posted on 05/23/2006 9:52:09 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Ranger Drew

A lot of people thought airplanes were impossible. And the way hummingbirds fly violate every law of physics.


60 posted on 05/23/2006 9:53:30 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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