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Study: Germans pessimistic on Islam
JPost ^ | GEORGE CONGER

Posted on 05/24/2006 7:48:45 AM PDT by FoxyFacts

Study: Germans pessimistic on Islam By GEORGE CONGER

German public opinion believes a clash of civilizations" is under way between Christians and Muslims that will lead to further domestic and international conflict, a report commissioned by the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung finds.

Germany is in the midst of "a conflict spiral," researchers from the Allensbach Institute for Public Opinion Research reported last week. "Conceptions of Islam were already negative" but have hardened "noticeably in recent times," the survey's authors Elisabeth Noelle and Thomas Petersen reported.

"Germans are increasingly of the opinion that a lasting, peaceful coexistence with the Islamic world will not be possible," Noelle and Petersen concluded.

Esteem for Islam in Germany has been falling precipitously since the 9/11 terrorist attacks and has been driven down further by outrage over the 2004 Beslan school attack in Russia and by a recent series of high-profile stories in the German press.

Concerns over an "honor killing" in Berlin, demands that schoolgirls be permitted to wear burkas, a surge in schoolyard violence involving Muslim immigrants, and the failure of Germany's three million Muslim immigrants to assimilate have deepened a "crisis of cultures."

The Allensbach survey of 1,076 German adults in early May found that 83% of the respondents associated Islam with "fanaticism," an increase of 8% from a similar poll in 2004.

Over 71% believed Islam to be "intolerant," a rise from 66% in 2004; 62% saw it as "backward," up from 49%; while 60% saw it as "undemocratic," an increase of 8% since 2004. Only 8% of the survey participants characterized Islam as peaceful. When asked what keyword or phrase they associated with Islam, 91% of respondents stated that Islam implied discrimination against women.

Some 61% of Germans said they believed a "clash of cultures" already existed, while 65% said "they counted on such conflicts" to worsen in the future.

While two-thirds of the survey participants said they blamed religious fanatics, not Islam, for the conflict with the West, 40% of the participants said they would favor curtailing Germany's constitutionally guaranteed right of freedom of religion in order to safeguard national security. Asked if there should be a ban on the building of mosques in Germany as long as Saudi Arabia and other Islamic states banned church construction, 56% agreed, the survey found.

The Muhammad cartoon controversy had also exhausted the average German's willingness to engage in dialogue, Noelle and Peterson noted. "In view of the widespread feeling of being under threat, and the suspected intolerance of Islam, the readiness of Germans to show tolerance to the Muslim faith is sinking."

The survey findings were extraordinary in light of Germany's "special dislike of conflict," Noelle and Peterson noted. "One could even speak of a pronounced need for harmony by Germans," they said.

However, the "ditch has become deeper" between Islam and the West, the survey concluded, as "in most people's minds the Kampf der Kulturer has already begun."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christiansonmuslims; clashofcivilization; europenas; europevsislam; germansonislam; germansonmulims; honorkilling; islam; islamicoppression; jihad; muslimsineurope; muslimsvschristians; muslimsvswest; palestine; palestinians; pollonislam; terrorism; waronterror; wot

1 posted on 05/24/2006 7:48:47 AM PDT by FoxyFacts
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To: FoxyFacts

Better late then never.


2 posted on 05/24/2006 7:51:35 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

"Kampf der Kulturer"

Unfortunate phrasing, but correct.


3 posted on 05/24/2006 7:53:49 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Borges

And if the West eventually wins out against the Islamic assault, then China will take on the "winner". Judging by China's actions in the past decades, I'd say they've already taken sides...


4 posted on 05/24/2006 7:53:53 AM PDT by C210N (Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: Borges
Correct, too bad that for their heinous crimes against humanity 60 years ago -- though they changed since -- they have to swallow Muslims, even though one can understand their current frustration that unlike the early on intolerance, DOES make sense.
5 posted on 05/24/2006 7:57:02 AM PDT by FoxyFacts
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To: MeanWestTexan

Radical Islam is rather a Cult.

"stimmt"?


6 posted on 05/24/2006 7:58:38 AM PDT by FoxyFacts
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To: FoxyFacts

Violent

Intolerant

Backwards

Undemocratic

Hostile to women

Refuse to assimilate


7 posted on 05/24/2006 8:04:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: FoxyFacts
"While two-thirds of the survey participants said they blamed religious fanatics, not Islam, for the conflict with the West, 40% of the participants said they would favor curtailing Germany's constitutionally guaranteed right of freedom of religion in order to safeguard national security. Asked if there should be a ban on the building of mosques in Germany as long as Saudi Arabia and other Islamic states banned church construction, 56% agreed, the survey found."

Yes, Virginia, these are the people that are critical towards us in this war.

8 posted on 05/24/2006 8:06:56 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (".... We are a nation of Americans. We are DECENDED from legal immigrants"- johnandrhonda)
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To: FoxyFacts

Yes, I agree.


9 posted on 05/24/2006 8:14:03 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: BenLurkin; All

Plus:

Child abuse (like palestinian death cult).

Hatred sermons in their mainstream mosques.

Blaming the raped victims. (under catagory of: oppression of women).

Demonization of non Mulims.


10 posted on 05/24/2006 8:15:14 AM PDT by FoxyFacts
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To: FoxyFacts

I wonder how Americans would answer. It seems like the Germans have a good idea of what's going on.


11 posted on 05/24/2006 8:18:21 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: FoxyFacts
"Germans are increasingly of the opinion that a lasting, peaceful coexistence with the Islamic world will not be possible," Noelle and Petersen concluded.

Well, at least the Germans get it. Now it's time for the rest of Europe to wake up before it's too late.

12 posted on 05/24/2006 8:22:45 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan

Well they did fall for it before. "Fool me twice....."


13 posted on 05/24/2006 8:28:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: FoxyFacts
"Germans are increasingly of the opinion that a lasting, peaceful coexistence with the Islamic world will not be possible," Noelle and Petersen concluded.

Maybe we see some awakening here.

In times past, the general consensus in the West has been so lakadaisical that they never considered that religion is, by it's nature, much stronger than mere politics.

The motive of islam has never changed over the years. It, like ol' Ishmael, has been persecuting the legitimate since it was founded.

14 posted on 05/24/2006 8:30:50 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: TypeZoNegative

In part it is because they don't believe Iraq capable of what we call democracy.


15 posted on 05/24/2006 8:31:44 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: FoxyFacts

What baloney, show me Christians in Europe.


16 posted on 05/24/2006 8:43:15 AM PDT by edzuk
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To: FoxyFacts

Looks like the Germans have been reading, I wished the avaerage USA citizen did a little more -

NINTH GRADE Whahabi lesson - “The clash between this [Muslim] community (umma) and the Jews and Christians has endured, and it will continue as long as God wills.”

From the books of the Religion of Peace (& Frontpage.com) you find:

“And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” (Quran 2:193)

“It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.” (Sahih Muslim book 1, no. 30; there are many similar ahadith)

“It is part of God’s wisdom that the struggle between the Muslim and the Jews should continue until the hour [of judgment].”

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”’” (Sahih Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 177; there are many similar ahadith)

“Jihad in the path of God -- which consists of battling against unbelief, oppression, injustice, and those who perpetrate it -- is the summit of Islam. This religion arose through jihad and through jihad was its banner raised high. It is one of the noblest acts, which brings one closer to God, and one of the most magnificent acts of obedience to God.”

“A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.” (Sahih Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 44)

“When you meet those who disbelieve, smite at their necks ‘til when you have killed and wounded many of them, then take them as captives.” In fact, that is a direct quote from the Qur’an itself (Quran 47:4).


17 posted on 05/24/2006 8:46:09 AM PDT by LM_Guy
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To: FoxyFacts
When the Islamist say the German have to give up

the digested kraut and wieners are going to hit the ventilator.

18 posted on 05/24/2006 8:49:23 AM PDT by oyez (Appeasement is insanity)
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To: RobbyS

democracy is still 2 generations away

what we understand as democracy is the result of 250 years in the making. its infrstructure c/w social support came as a
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19 posted on 05/24/2006 9:04:50 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: edzuk

I know what you mean, but rather Christians by background and connected culture.


20 posted on 05/24/2006 9:07:58 AM PDT by FoxyFacts
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To: nightdriver

The same as in previous:

° Murder of the NATIVE Jews in Madina.

° The genocide upon 1.5 Million Christian Armenians at the turn of the century.

° Last not least, 15,000,000 Indian Hindus (so they claim)that were massacred in recent history by the "religion of P." (you do with the letter "P" whatever you like).


21 posted on 05/24/2006 9:13:39 AM PDT by FoxyFacts
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To: LM_Guy; All
The "creme de la creme" of Islamists are the (so called) "Palestinians", Hamas in it's own words.

"We are a nation that drinks blood". (source: http://pmw.org.il )
22 posted on 05/24/2006 9:16:07 AM PDT by FoxyFacts
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To: himno hero

"Democracy" is simply a codeword for an alternative to the forms of government that the Arab world has seen for the past fifty years. It certainly won't be secular.


23 posted on 05/24/2006 10:04:38 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: edzuk
Well I can't speak for other Christian denominations in Europe, but Catholicism is still alive and well...

The Vatican has the best gallery of all. Check it out.

The Vatican 2005 WYD Photo Gallery

24 posted on 05/24/2006 10:10:41 AM PDT by Theoden (Fidei Defensor)
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To: Borges

from a translation of an Arab account of the battle from the Medieval Source Book:

"And in the shock of the battle the men of the North seemed like a sea that cannot be moved. Firmly they stood, one close to another, forming as it were a bulwark of ice; and with great blows of their swords they hewed down the Arabs. Drawn up in a band around their chief, the people of the Austrasians carried all before them. Their tireless hands drove their swords down to the breasts of the foe."

We need another Charles Martel.


25 posted on 05/24/2006 10:25:40 AM PDT by US admirer
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To: US admirer

precisely,

everyone,has,forgotten,this,has,been,going,on,for,1400,years

however,there,is,nothing.new.on.theirfront.

they.will.continue,their,assault,and,hate,for,themselves,and,all,others,until,their,antichrist,cult.dominates.

in.their.eyes.9/11.was.just.another.minor.skirmish.where.they.were.victors.

9/11?just.a.continuation.of.the.antichrists.work

and.there.will.be.more.from.the.supporters.based.in.syria.and.iran.etc.etc.etc


26 posted on 05/24/2006 10:38:26 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: RobbyS

Of course they don't. They don't even believe in Democracy themselves. When the first sign of distress comes about, they go back to their beer and blutenwurst Nazi roots and start shutting down places of worship.


27 posted on 05/24/2006 12:12:48 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (".... We are a nation of Americans. We are DECENDED from legal immigrants"- johnandrhonda)
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To: TypeZoNegative

Nazism owed more to Austria than to Germany.


28 posted on 05/24/2006 3:01:30 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: C210N

(Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)

Got that in a bumper sticker?


29 posted on 05/25/2006 9:12:16 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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