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Rush Limbaugh Transcript on Immigration (Today's show)
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052606/content/america_s_anchorman.guest.html ^

Posted on 05/26/2006 6:59:19 PM PDT by Altair333

RUSH: Now, folks, as I say, I've got all this figured out, and when I told you this wasn't about immigration, I was right; and when I told you that what this is really all about is the Democrats wanting and needing some new victims, I was right; and when I said this was all about politicians, particularly Democrats wanting new voters, I was right. But I was not a hundred percent right. I was close. To sum this up -- very simply -- what this bill is, this is not an immigration bill. What is being done here is being done under the guise of immigration reform. What this is, is a huge attempt by certain politicians, mostly moderate and liberal Democrats and moderate Republicans, to expand the federal government, to increase the numbers of people in poverty in this country by importing them via this immigration bill, which will set up the need to expand the "social safety" net in this country, which will then empower those who believe in big government.

It is also designed to provide a free flow of cheap labor for businesses that want to access it, and with the few limits on legal immigration that this bill imposes, we're no longer talking just about Mexicans. We now can import workers from all over the world who want to come in for the purposes of achieving and accessing the American dream, and believe me, if certain American businesses want to get labor cheaper than what they have to pay Mexican immigrants, they want to get them from Ethiopia, they want to get them from Sudan, here's an opportunity to do it. It really is no more complicated than that. I mean, you cannot read this bill and conclude anything else. This bill is senseless.

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To: Cobra64
I'm not your pal.

It is the 'government confiscations' that allow the very things that you are angry about.
161 posted on 05/27/2006 5:14:59 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: middie
Nice. If you have something to say (or a juvenile name to call) to me, then try growing a spine and saying it to me directly.

For example, I could write: 'I hate grandstanding lawyers.' (excuse the oxymoron) and then you could write 'You are an officious jerk' directing your oh so productive name calling straight to me.
162 posted on 05/27/2006 5:30:46 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Patrick1
The "wall" is a must but so is allowing immigrants into the United States not just from Mexico but from all over the world. A set number per year with assimilation being the goal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

There are a lot of Eastern Europeans who would gladly come to the USA and assimilate. maybe we need to make their immigration quota the only comprehensive one.We have enough Latinos.

163 posted on 05/27/2006 5:45:55 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: OKIEDOC
The Party of Lincoln was a popular conservative one.

Middie is a blue blood aristocratic conservative. As to neocons, he exemplifies the approach of Marie Antoinette," Let them eat cake." The difference is that middie would piss on the cake befoe handing it to you , under proclamations of intellectual superiority. Middie has a blind heart to the Liberty of his fellow men, as the path to a more perfect union.

Maybe middie can grow out of it, but just as the masses responded to Antoinette long ago, the RINOS now must go to the figurative guillotine, and they have wagered that we do not have the ability to bring that about.We have to show them.

Lets Roll!

164 posted on 05/27/2006 5:54:12 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: Altair333

"...liberal Democrats and moderate Republicans, to expand the federal government,..."

Expanding the federal government is the goal of EVERYTHING these people do. That should be axiomatic whenever you consider why they do what they do. Any bill for any reason is about expanding the federal government. These people are statists and totalitarians. They hate us and our freedom. Destroying our culture will produce anarchy which will lay the foundation for even more federal control, which is exactly what they want. The don't believe in freedom, they believe in government.


165 posted on 05/27/2006 6:03:49 AM PDT by vigilo (Everything I needed to know about George Bush and the Republican Party I learned from CFR.)
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To: jneesy
rush kept saying today "keep your powder dry" i think in the coming weeks he is going to do something he has never done before, turn his massive audience loose on the govt with a tsunami of phone calls/emails and show the "moderates" on the hill why they should fear talk radio
one can dream anyhow

Funny, that was my exact thought as well. From your lips to God's ear. Please let it be so!

166 posted on 05/27/2006 7:05:09 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Dat Mon
RUSH SAYS..." I think what's happening here, in addition to all that I've said, is that moderate Republicans are trying to destroy conservatives and conservatism. Rush has seen the light. Thank God...cause hes a potent weapon.

BINGO!

I don't think Rush will be welcome at the White House in the near future after they realize that the "Jig is Up!"

Rush's "Truth Detector" will be parsing and dissecting everything that Bush, Rove, Bolton, Snow and even Cheney try to get him to swallow. And nothing will be allowed to go "off the record." When he tells them that, they are going to clam up tighter than drums....because he is in a position to absolutely blow away each and every spin operation they foolishly hope to launch.

167 posted on 05/27/2006 7:49:39 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Enterprise
"Nightmarishly there they stand, in the Senate, grinning. Those death heads, grinning, laughing at the nation they are deliberately destroying. Laughing at a great people being doomed to poverty, violence and loss of rights. Grinning, spitting on the graves of the our vets, their sacrifices, and still, the death heads grin, laugh, and spit some more."


I couldn't think of the exact words to say what I think, but you said it perfectly. I am a veteran - my dad was a veteran - his brother and brother-in-law were veterans - my mother's two brothers were veterans - both my grandfathers were veterans. And for what? To be betrayed in 2006 by a group of politicians. And how ironic it is, that as we were all (or most of us) looking to the East worried about Arab terrorists, the worst threat casually walked right in behind our backs from the South. And with our government's blessing. Oh, God, how did we ever come to this!
168 posted on 05/27/2006 7:50:14 AM PDT by Orantx ('Government is force...and like fire,.. a dangerous servant and fearsome master' George Washington)
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To: ntnychik

You are exactly right about the kind of Marxism that is being taught in the educational system today.

The main words to look for are anything that deals with or states "SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE" as a means to an end (redistribution of wealth, power and the use of guilt to achieve the goals). "SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPEMENT" or anything with the word sustainable is another one (control of economy and business through regulation guided by social concerns, not economic policy). And, of course, the most benign of all words "PEACE" (the moral high-ground - roll over and take it because you must have deserved it - and never, ever retaliate).

I just hear these words and I do an instant knee-jerk reaction to them, because they are the key buzz-words of this Marxist movement guiding the enviornmentalists, the UN subservients, liberalism, disarmerment peace-freaks and globalism.

Whatever the movement, is - it's the same theories behind it - Marxism.


169 posted on 05/27/2006 8:05:18 AM PDT by Dittohead68
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To: Orantx
"Oh, God, how did we ever come to this!"

You know Orantx, considering that we have put such great hope in putting Republicans in office, that realization is particularly painful. God bless you and all the other veterans in your family.

170 posted on 05/27/2006 8:05:33 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

dang, typing too fast
should read:

(excuse the oxymoron--not.)


171 posted on 05/27/2006 8:18:16 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Altair333

Ping


172 posted on 05/27/2006 8:32:30 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: Candor7
Yeah, agree with your entire post.

The popular conservative movement in the USA is now headless, and we must grow a new one. What patriot will step forward in this time of peril to lead us. Who has the courage and tenacity?

Great question! Who's got some stones that has the ability?

173 posted on 05/27/2006 8:46:37 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Dittohead68
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Original Sin

Culture/Society Editorial Keywords: CULTURE, LIBERALISM, POLITICS, DECEPTIONS, POWER, CORRUPTION
Source: The Laissez Faire City Times
Published: Dec. 28, 1998 Author: ACE
Posted on 08/19/2001 11:27:40 PDT by Coyote




Original Sin

by ACE

Few things are more embarrassing than getting caught in a lie. At least for most of us. And yet we're all guilty. We lie not only to others but to ourselves as well. It's at once both an obsession and a joke. How do you know a politician is lying? Watch his lips. If they're moving, he's lying. I don't recall. I, [fill in the blank], did not have sexual relations with [fill in the blank]. I feel your pain. No big deal, no problem. After all, everybody does it. Except, of course, when we wake up to a lie that has personally cost us something precious. Then the practice is no longer an innocuous practical compulsion to violate an anachronism about some ancient cultural commandment, but an unforgivable deception. If we swindle another, well, it's just moral relativity in action. But if someone swindles us, our wrath explodes into a spectacular and indignant fury. There's nothing like being truly victimized by a confidence ploy to wake up the sleeping champion of integrity. And few confidence scams in all history are more diabolical than the one to spirit away American liberty under the false promise of the free lunch.

On a frozen January night my wife and I hopped a flight out of Missoula Montana, heading down to California. As I settled in, I rummaged around the seat pocket in front of me, and behind the barf bag I found the airline in-house magazine. Past the map of the services and the advertisements for overpriced gimmicks and toys, I stumbled on an article by a linguist. Now etymology has always been one of my hobbies. You know, wondering how an Indo-European root word like sat, which means desire in Sanskrit, can become a word like satisfaction, as in "I can't get no." As in, "I can't get no satisfaction no matter how much wealth or power I accrue, or how much lust I attempt to quell, or with whom or what." So with my curiosity aroused, I flicked on the overhead and buried my self in the article.

The author surmised that human language may have evolved about 50,000 years ago. An interesting notion. Maybe true, maybe not. But there was one dark and stunning assertion that really sticks out for any of us. He also speculated that speech emerged for the sole purpose of deception. In other words, to gain a competitive advantage over our cousins, even our brothers and sisters, we invented language to deceive them. I don't know if that's true or not, and I find myself hard pressed to comment without raw presumption or hypocrisy. I mean who am I to preach? It might be unnerving to the secular humanist. It could even be offensive to the fundamentalist. But then again, there will always be the challenge of the Copernican Dilemma. And the implications to global culture and politics are so profound, it's almost impossible to hyperbolize on this one. So I've taken it on myself to think out loud. If you stay within ear-shot, you're going to get an opinion that may well both stun and provoke you. If we didn't invent language to deceive, we sure began to use it to mislead almost from the very beginning.

How many have agonized in conflict over the meaning of the garden story in Genesis? How did it go? Well let's see. There was Adam and Eve, and they were naked. And they weren't supposed to eat the fruit because they would "surely die." Then there was a serpent. The serpent convinced Eve that she wouldn't die if she ate the fruit. So she and Adam ate the fruit, and they were ashamed by their nakedness. Was it a sex thing then? Well some say so, but I think it's unlikely. There's something more to it. A lot more.

Yeah, so go on. Well, then they were kicked out of paradise, and that was presumably a bad thing for them. I mean, all the rest of us are busy trying to figure out how to get back in, by almost any means we can. So, let's see now. What kind of fruit was it? It was the "fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." The knowledge of good and evil...the knowledge of good and evil. Could the serpent have convinced Eve that she and Adam might take it onto themselves to determine what was good and what was evil? Well maybe so. And if so, how did he accomplish it? Well, buddy, he lied.

The Devil dances with delight,
Upon our graves with mystic insight,
Our hearts are wont to weep and grieve,
For he's taught us each other to deceive.
-- ACE

And today the pundits of popular culture tell us that good and evil are not absolute, but open to personal interpretation. The modern liberal believes it, and the classical liberal is adamant about it. We are encouraged to take it onto ourselves to determine what is right, and what is wrong. And on the surface, there's no denying it seems a philosophy that has logical and reasonable potential. Even the fundamental principles of the universe itself seem mathematically relative. There's just one problem. If I take it onto myself to determine what's right for me, how do you actually defend yourself if it isn't right for you? What if I decide it's right for me to deceive you in order to take advantage of you? I mean, it is relative, isn't it? And what if you don't find out until it's too late for you? Of course therein lies the rub. If information means power, disinformation means absolute power. It may once have taken secret societies, initiation rites, and mystical knowledge of symbolic language to perfect the black art of deception. But not any longer. Much to the chagrin of those who lord it over us, everyone today knows how to cheat. If you want raw power, all you have to do is lie. And the free-for-all feeding frenzy is heating up to a boil.

But it wasn't always that way for us here in the West, especially in America. For a brief period, we flirted with a political system based on the cultural notion of integrity, of an absolute truth. One where potentially abusive power was kept in check by self-control on the one hand, and careful separation of political clout on the other. And while it wasn't faultless, a semblance of balance was achieved at least for a time.

After the Constitutional Convention, a woman stepped up to the men and asked them what kind of government they had finally given the American people. "A republic, madam," replied Ben Franklin, "...if you can keep it." In his Inaugural Address, George Washington advised us that "The sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government [were deeply and irrevocably staked] on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people." And as it was human, it was by no means perfect. Myopic political philosophers on the left will pound on all day long reminding us of their notion of the inequities of the classical republican model. And in fact the critics have a point. You know. Males and landowners only. Free, white, and twenty-one. But as a modifiable political basis, the republican model is still probably far more perfect than its modern antithesis, the new paradigm of the authoritarian crypto-collectivist. You doubt that? Well here's an assertion to consider.

The Destroyers

There are at least three types of individuals hell bent on the destruction of the American republican system. The first suffers only from ignorance. This person means well, but just has either never heard the other side of the story, or is in denial. He's the typical Democrat. The second suffers from spite and envy. This person has a rough comprehension of the ramifications, but can't resist the malevolent urge to destroy what he cannot control. He's your run of the mill radical. The third group of individuals are the most dangerous. For they know both the meaning and ramifications of what they propose. These are the progressive elite. They have no home or loyalty other than their quest for power, their urge to control labor and resources around the globe. In its latest incarnation, this elite has taken the fruit of a false premise and morphed it into a total lie. They are well along the road of replacing our republic with a regulated totalitarian oligarchy cleverly disguised as a pseudo-egalitarian democracy. Their method is magical deception, or the distraction of the uninformed. It's pure prestidigitation. Watch the busy hand that does so little, but never the one that actually commits the act. They prosper by the division of opponents, and they have a background. Here's a challenging bit of their history.

In 1919 an Italian socialist named Antonio Gramsci began to publish a newspaper in Milan called, L'Ordine Nuovo, or "The New Order." Loosely rendered, he concluded that the average person would never voluntarily reject the faith and culture of the West. He concluded that the best way to implement a collectivist government was to use an intellectual elite to destroy traditional values by attacking fundamental Jewish and Christian beliefs. Gramsci envisioned a three-phased assault.

First he calculated that this elite maneuver to achieve a "cultural hegemony" over the West. You might say that Gramsci was responsible for coining the term, "the cultural elite." And following Gramsci with precision, his elite entourage did exactly that. The culture itself became a vehicle to destroy ideals by several means. It presented the young not with heroic, Apollonian or Athenian examples, but with deliberately degenerated anti-heroes--with "losers." Marriage and family were continuously attacked and subverted. By replacing age-old doctrines and moral teachings with `modernized' or diminished cultural ideas, people were demoralized. This reduced meaningful standards to irrelevancy. It replaced genuine education with radical permissiveness, with gutted curricula and radically lowered standards. It promoted collectivism in the institutions of higher education. It gained de-facto control of the mass media. Not by Stalinist censorship, but by subtlety promoting placement of like minded thinkers in media positions in order to transform it from a news reporting mechanism to a propaganda organ. The media then manipulated, harassed, and discredited traditional institutions that clung to the notion of self control, and promoted those seeking authoritarian control. And in recent years, the entire Hollywood entertainment industry has become little more than an engine for Gramscian propaganda.

As a result, morality, decency, and traditional virtues became the subject of ridicule. Marriage was portrayed as a plot by males to perpetuate a system of domination over women and children. Radical feminism worked with diligence to undermine the republican tradition. Any larger anthropological truths in the religious canons were abandoned as irrelevant and childish nonsense. By emphasizing the improbabilities and inconsistencies of the traditions, by blurring the historic facts with the legends, attention to their higher symbolic meaning was successfully diverted. The secular and religious zealot were encouraged to oppose each other, as they were left to wallow aimlessly defending their position in the cultural chaos. I'm not making this up. All this is precisely as Gramsci proposed.

Gramsci envisioned that twenty or thirty years of this cultural manipulation would lead to the second phase. A power struggle emerging between the "progressive" collectivist forces, and those trying to uphold the stabilizing traditions of the West. And along with the collapsing culture, political concerns slide into chaos. Crime explodes, disorder becomes rampant, and financial markets grow unstable.

Politicians themselves become corrupt and the public loses faith in their republican system. People are set adrift in a sea of chaos. Traditional institutions are destroyed. In a deliberate deception, liberal demagogues declare war on all opposition. No quarter is without subversives and agents of the ruling elite. Destabilization finally brings a form of anarchy and internal terrorism. Markets may collapse. Cities are overrun with drug addiction and criminal gangs. Disgruntled individuals, largely unaware of the source of the problem, commit senseless, undirected violent acts against their own government. The organs manipulated by the "cultural elite" defame all efforts toward traditional common sense, and promote amelioration by federal collectivism. Citizens finally cry out for order and stability.

Finally, totalitarian collectivism is orchestrated in to solve our problems. It seizes power and sets into place a repressive system Gramsci called "normalization." People actually clamor for strict centralized government intervention, and willingly sacrifice their liberty in order to end the social and political chaos. So when the talking heads on the left insist that it is war, they mean just that. When the law becomes hypocrisy, when the bodies begin to pile up, and the public is without shame, we know we are nearing the flash point. When we think on the vastly expanded power of executive order, the frightening potential become obvious. Gramscian liberalism in the American political duopoly was the substance and end product of the sixties movement, the default zeitgeist of the baby boomers. Those that supported the enemy in the proxy war against Chinese totalitarianism. So what did the darlings of the left give us for our money? Consider the facts.

On June 17, 1963, the U.S. Supreme Court forbade Bible reading and prayer in the public schools. One of the nation's most popular magazines later echoed the spirit of this sentiment by running a cover article, entitled "Is God Dead?" It was then followed in the early 1990's by another cover entitled "The Cultural Elite," virtually exhorting the success of the Gramscian thesis. Few knew enough about this history to even take notice. Christian-bashing became the norm in popular intellectual circles. New age values became the catch morality.

Pos Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc?

And since that 1963 ruling, the number of U.S. violent crime offenses exploded upward by 700 percent. The U.S. now has the highest per-capita rate of felony incarceration of all the industrialized First World nations. Premarital sex among 18 year olds jumped from 30 percent of the population, to 70 percent. Tax rates for a family of four skyrocket 500 percent to consume a fourth of their income. Divorce rates quadrupled. Illegitimate births among the black population soared from about 23 percent to more than 68 percent, leaving mothers contained by the state and fatherless children to roam the streets in search of trouble. Illegitimacy as a whole has jumped from 5 percent to nearly 30 percent nationwide for a total rise of 600 percent! On July 17, 1994, the New York Times even quoted liberal Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan saying that overall American illegitimacy could rise to 50 percent by the year 2000! Cases of sexually transmitted disease rose 150 percent. Virtually lethal sexually transmitted plagues like AIDS, HPV, and Hepatitis C swept through the nation, even tainting the blood supply. Teen-age illegitimate pregnancies are up by several thousand percent, and teen-age suicides have increased by 200 percent. Even the president himself is being sued for sexual harassment. And he's all but admitted having orax sex with a 21- year old intern whose name he didn't even know in the Oval Office of the White House. She serviced him while he discussed sending American troops into the Balkan fiasco on a three way phone conversation with members of congress. He did this on Easter Sunday after piously going to church with his wife. And according to polls, nearly two-thirds of the population has no interest in holding him accountable for actions committed in a public office. And between 1950 and 1979, serious crime committed by children under 15 increased 11,000 percent! That's eleven thousand percent! Say it again: ELEVEN THOUSAND PERCENT!

Yeah, I know. Some will argue that it doesn't follow. Did all this come from that single court decision? Obviously not. It was simply the codification of the Gramscian, New Age secular trend. Does this mean that the Judeo-Christian tradition is without fault, or that intelligent people will not find anomalies, contradictions, and implausibility in its historic canons? Clearly not. Does it mean that we won't find hypocrites among its followers? Again, it doesn't. Well then what does it mean?

It means that if a culture is built around a value system that emphasizes individual accountability as opposed to authoritarian repression, all an enemy has to do is jerk the belief system out from underneath its people to demolish that culture. Destroy the pillars supporting the value system of the West, and have your way with the slaves that remain after the bloodbath. Divide and conquer becomes chaos and conquer.

We don't live in an intellectual or political vacuum. The parameters of prosperity, liberty, and population are clearly limited by our circumstances. We will either be ruled by authority, or by self control. The witch doctor, the tribal chief, the king, the dictator, the warlord, the junta, the elitist oligarchy, the tribunal, even the majority, will rule over us if we can't successfully rule ourselves. Those on both extremes of the secular/spiritual argument often fail to see the logic inherent in the traditional view. The idea of a king of kings prevented any ruling official from rising above the law. It's a perfect cultural ideal that even the king himself must bow before. The idea of virgin birth describes the moment that conscience ignites in a person's own soul. Even the secular philosopher Joseph Campbell acknowledged the value and importance of that idea, even as only a myth. No free republic can exist without some form of these two principles. Why is it that we either tear away at the logic in the myth, or cling to the myth in the logic, neither side able to settle on common ground? Could it be because of the willful actions of a group of cultural spoilers? Could it be that they know exactly how to ruffle our feathers, push our buttons, render our defense against them helpless and ineffective?

For any culture, the law consists of both the statute and the behavioral norm. Without the middle ground of morality, which for us is bound in the mythical marvel of Western Culture, there are only two other alternatives. Either tyranny, or anarchy. The truth is that for all our rant and rave, only the psychopathic among us actually wishes either extreme on ourselves as individuals. But if we open our eyes, we can clearly see significant evidence to support the notion of a clique working incessantly to reduce us to the savage level, to further their own aim of monopolizing ruling authority.

One more place this argument has come to a head is in the infamous "value-free" movement. The result is so bad that even the cofounder, Dr. William Coulson, has totally repudiated the concept. Coulson was one of famed psychologist Carl Rogers' closest colleagues. Coulson, Rogers and Abraham Maslow became pioneers of a theory they called "Humanistic psychology," later to become codified in the ideas of Outcome Based Education, otherwise known as OBE. "This nontheory of evil," notes Coulson, "is one peculiar version of the 'value-free' disease (which is the same as ethical relativism, of Rousseauistic optimism, of amorality, i.e. nothing is wrong or bad enough to fight against)...What kind of educational philosophy is it that is unprepared for ill will? It's a philosophy in which nothing is bad or sick or wrong or evil."

The Marxist Appreciation of Gramci

Liberals under the Clinton administration attempted to push this to its extreme in with their "Goals 2000" programs. Frederick Close, director of education for the Ethics Resource Center in Washington, D.C., described the situation pretty well when he said that, "The fundamental tragedy of American education is not that we are [just] turning out ignoramuses but that we are turning out savages." We could sit in denial and argue that this has nothing to do with the Gramscian politics of the democratic left. But then we would be dead wrong. Here's why. Radical British Marxist, Anne Showstack Sassoon, raved about Gramsci in her book, Gramsci's Politics. She noted that Gramsci saw the transition to authoritarian socialism accomplished by "a new type of party" that would not govern in the formal sense, but rather by "directing the course of policy toward hegemony." She specifically refered to this form of government as "Liberal Democracy," and argued for a "contemporary Machiavelli," whose role would be to build a "collective will" and "acceptance for the process of change." Liberal Democracy--the system presently hailed by many in our culture as the liberating philosophy of our future--is to Sassoon little more than "Machiavellian Marxism."' In The Keys of This Blood, Malachi Martin wrote that, "Gramsci meant that Marxists must change the residually Christian mind...so that it would become not merely a non-Christian mind, but an anti-Christian mind." Our purpose," Gramsci wrote, "is not to change the course of history but to change the nature of man."

"The fundamental basis of this nation's laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State." (President Harry S. Truman)

But human nature is tenacious. We can only guess at what draconian measures will have to be employed to effect our new man. We've forgotten that the National Socialists also tried to create a "New Man." And we're too busy to think much about the Stalinists, the Maoists, and the Khmer Rouge. And of course implicit in engineering our new man is the elevation of the creating elites themselves to a position of dominant power, as more and more clamor to jump on a very profitable bandwagon of selling liberty down the road. Media moguls, lawyers, bureaucrats, and educators all now have something to lose if they dare consider the true ramifications of this trend. The selfish nature of those elites are assumed to be either non-existent, or to be otherwise ignored by collectivist sympathizers in both principal American political parties. Worse--much, much worse--is the fact that by all sensible methods of evaluation, it seems that we're sitting on the very eve of the third phase (totalitarian collectivism) of the Gramscian plan of destruction. We're certainly right at then end of the second. Dare to look around you, and then turn around and take another look. What will it take? An emergency situation? A terrorist act using a biological agent? How about a contrived constitutional crisis surrounding a corrupt presidency?

The mentality behind this phenomenon reveals the true potential dangers in centralizing power. Machiavelli's main concern was obsequious ingratiation with the Fourteenth Century Italian monarchy by providing strategies to help the state gain and keep political control over all possible competition and dissention. Max Lerner wrote that the tyrant, Joseph Stalin, was very well schooled in Machiavelli. Solzhenitsyn asserts that he was responsible for 60 million deaths. In the introduction of the Mentor publication of Machiavelli's The Prince, Christian Gauss tells us that it was Hitler's bedside reading, and that Benito Mussolini selected it for his doctoral thesis. We all know how many they killed. And to one degree or another, all of them considered Gramsci in their methodology.

So the Liberal Democratic vanguards and the extremely influential semi-obscure councils, descended roundtables, and the various commissions, general assemblies, and fraternal organizations surrounding them, ask us to follow the political example of some of the bloodiest, most obscene autocrats of human history. In his book, Democide, professor R. J. Rummel wrote that, "Pol Pot [and his socialist Angka Loeu comrades in the "Killing Fields"] defined new concepts of what is good or bad...and in less than four years of governing they exterminated 31 percent of their men, women and children." In Murder of a Gentle Land, John Barron and Anthony Paul record the UN's response to the Cambodian blood bath: "After the desolation of the cities, the early massacres and in the midst of the first famine, one of the Angka Loeu leaders, Ieng Sary, in his incarnation as foreign minister, flew to a special session of the Untied Nations General Assembly. Upon landing in New York, he boasted, 'We have cleansed the cities,' and when he appeared at the United Nations, the delegates from around the world warmly applauded."

So suck it up, children. In consideration of conquering new kingdoms, here's what Machiavelli himself tells the prince.

"When cities or provinces have been accustomed to live under a prince... they do not know how to live in freedom...and a prince can win them over with greater faculty and establish himself securely. But in republics, there is greater life...they do not and cannot cast aside the memory of their ancient liberty, so that the surest way [to conquer them] is to lay them waste."

If you don't see that this applies to the Western cultural elite, you haven't been paying attention. A mountain of circumstantial evidence points to an elite who would intentionally lay waste to your republic by destroying its culture. If the cultural notion of original sin has any meaning at all, it may be telling us that morality is in fact an absolute, at least in relation to individual human rights. The will of God, as it were. My apology and understanding to those who don't consider original sin a myth. I'm not even saying you aren't right. I'm only speaking figuratively here, so that everyone from the atheist to the fundamentalist can comprehend the basic logic of this assertion without caving in to petty dissention. It's really very simple. Truth is not relative if I lie to take advantage of you. From your point of view, that's always an absolute given. No matter who you are, no matter what your faith or view, you're going to keep that gem in your hip pocket, exempt from relative interpretation. Moral relativists are usually the most shocked, and exhort the loudest cry of foul, after suffering the theft of their confidence by intentional deception. C.S. Lewis made that eloquently clear for anyone who cares to listen. But then once burned, twice shy. The reformed relativist is often the greatest champion of liberty by moral principle. If your next door neighbor loses his savings to a shyster selling him a bogus texture coating for his house, you will sympathize but little more. If you lose your savings to the scam, you're likely to be a much more aggressive witness.

"Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness" (George Washington, The Great Quotations, Citadel Press).

Original Sin may also be telling us that we are all subject to both lying and denying the consequences. Deception is the initiate's means to power. But power by deception will get you and everyone around you kicked right out of paradise. Your dependable partner, neighbor, spouse or even your children, will become suspicious subjects of the battle of distrust. There won't be much harmony in your life if you can't even trust your blood relatives. Both the Stalinists and the National Socialists used children in the public school system to turn in dissident parents to the authorities. Propaganda, disinformation, attempted coups, assassinations, reprisals and purges of diabolical magnitude plagued all modern examples of collectivist political order. And to anyone paying the least attention, this methodology is on the rise right here in America as we approach the millenium.

So don't look now, but if you are an American, you live in what's left of an advanced and seriously weakened Constitutional Republic. By every measure of reason, there would seem to be those who are abusing your trust to intentionally destroy your republic to their own ends. The apologists for situation ethics and moral relativism have captured the upper ground. Even at its worst, with all its faults, our traditional republic is a paradise compared to the concentration camp culture of the Gramscian, Machiavellian Marxists.

And if you're a follower or apologist for today's political and social multi-culturalism, an adherent of liberal democracy, or believe that our culture can continue without a basis in moral absolutes, which camp do you suppose you belong in? Are you a cynical but clever elitist intoxicated on power? Are you onto the deception but support it out of pathological spite? Or are you simply ignorant of your role in the intentional destruction of your culture, even if you think you stand on the relative right? Of course it's just one more opinion distilled from digested evidence. One more perspective on the notion of truth. You may have your own.

Still, it should haunt you, you know. Remember their very own creed? "In republics...lay them waste." If you still value whatever liberty you have, it's probably time you reconsidered any interest in supporting the ideologies of those who would have you and your children "wasted" for their own advantage. The hour is growing late.





The original "why I react negatively to liberalism" post.

1 Posted on 08/19/2001 11:27:40 PDT by Coyote
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To: Lurker

FYI...dredging the swamps.

2 Posted on 08/19/2001 11:30:42 PDT by Coyote
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Testing to use. Is there a introduction or help page ??

3 Posted on 08/19/2001 12:29:08 PDT by Walking Tall
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To: Coyote

Thank you Coyote for this timely informative reminder...Wake up America..

4 Posted on 08/19/2001 12:41:18 PDT by shotabug
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To: shotabug

When you see them arguing about it, just point them to it. If only a few get the picture....

5 Posted on 08/19/2001 12:51:52 PDT by Coyote
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To: Coyote

Will do, thanks again..

6 Posted on 08/19/2001 13:08:05 PDT by shotabug
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To: Coyote

It's even better now.

Regards,

L

7 Posted on 08/19/2001 21:43:20 PDT by Lurker
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To: Coyote

"Well, buddy, he lied...."

Yea, he lied alright. And the really sad thing is that the Big Lie has become The Truth.

Noone cares anymore. It's become alright to lie. At least it's alright to lie if your motives are good anyway. Don't you see? Bill Clinton had to lie. Those nasty Republicans made him lie. And anyone who objects to the President of the United States lying so unashamedly is a member of a Vast Conspiracy of some kind.... Hell, you can't be a leader without being a liar.

War is Peace.

Ignorance is Strength.

Freedom is Slavery.

George Orwell; call your office.....

L

8 Posted on 08/19/2001 21:59:34 PDT by Lurker
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To: Coyote

This is one of my favorite. Slip Sliding Away was another one, but it can seem a bit dated now...Well just because so much has happened since then.

Truly this article should be enough to make anyone stop and think. Oh I remember when it drew quite a crowd. There was hope then.

9 Posted on 08/19/2001 23:02:33 PDT by Revel
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To: Lurker

"Noone cares anymore."

And I am really beginning to think that they never will. They are so content in there material world. They are distracted without care for the gift of freedom that they were given. The joke is on them, but even in the end they will be to blind to know what they have lost. Gramsci knew how to destroy us. But not even we knew how fast it could happen.

10 Posted on 08/19/2001 23:12:53 PDT by Revel
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To: Coyote

My favorite.

11 Posted on 08/19/2001 23:18:31 PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Coyote

Wake up America!!!

12 Posted on 08/20/2001 03:27:06 PDT by shotabug
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To: nunya bidness

One of mine, too. Wake up America!!!

13 Posted on 08/20/2001 06:27:35 PDT by shotabug
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To: tex-oma

FYI

14 Posted on 08/20/2001 09:32:12 PDT by MadameAxe
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To: Lurker

"Well buddy, he lied"

From "Slip Sliding Away":

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State." — Alexander Solzhenitsyn

We're almost there ourselves. But for us, amazingly, the sharade is so visceral, the deception so clever, we plod along earning our livings, paying out debts and taxes, and attempting to satisfy our banal desires at the price of our unborn children's very bones, and aren't even aware we're being mislead. We even visciously defend our leftist, Fascist positions, firmly and adamantly deneying any argument that might interrupt our comfort zones. So with this in mind, I imagine no quick end to this, or turnaround. Just more and more of the same -- slowly, slowly, more and more of the same until a few more generations will not even be able to remember what America once knew as liberty. If future generations are able to [attempt to] satisfy their lowest carnal desires, if they can lease a quick car, if they are able to glut on shock-rock video and Hollywood propaganda over Coke and popcorn, they'll actually believe their free. And if they violate the rules of the global collective of the New Fascists, they'll be spirited off as criminals so quickly, their smug friends won't remember them any longer than they can express their contempt for the "criminality" of their fallen comrades.

15 Posted on 08/20/2001 10:10:39 PDT by Coyote
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To: Coyote

Well done.

And thanks for coming back.

16 Posted on 08/20/2001 10:17:05 PDT by Triple
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To: All Concerned Americans

Wake up to what is happening to Our Freedoms.....

17 Posted on 08/20/2001 15:12:36 PDT by shotabug
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To: shotabug

----Freedom hath a thousand charms to show,

That slaves howe'er contented never know.

COWPER---

18 Posted on 08/20/2001 15:22:24 PDT by Osage Orange
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To: Coyote

Finally, totalitarian collectivism is orchestrated in to solve our problems. It seizes power and sets into place a repressive system Gramsci called "normalization." People actually clamor for strict centralized government intervention, and willingly sacrifice their liberty in order to end the social and political chaos.

Conservatives, take note. This is where you get sucked into the maelstrom.

19 Posted on 08/20/2001 16:14:09 PDT by tex-oma
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To: Coyote

BTT

20 Posted on 08/23/2001 10:58:28 PDT by harpseal
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To: Coyote

BUMP

21 Posted on 08/23/2001 13:55:48 PDT by FreedomFarmer
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To: Coyote

Good post!

22 Posted on 08/26/2001 02:02:56 PDT by Yehuda
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To: Coyote

Superb. Saved to my files, and will re-post on Free Dominion

23 Posted on 08/26/2001 02:50:56 PDT by NorthernRight
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To: Coyote

Somebody ought to post this in DemocraticUnderground.com... hehe...

24 Posted on 08/26/2001 03:22:28 PDT by Cold-Hearted Conservative
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To: Cold-Hearted Conservative

Somebody ought to post this in DemocraticUnderground.com... hehe...

Now theres a good idea. Along with a comment asking which class of multicultural spoilers the members each belong to?

Dupe, or rather Ignorant Numbskull? Spoiled, spiteful New Age Brat? Viscious Marxist Exploiter of innocents for the sheer purpose of raw power?

25 Posted on 08/26/2001 08:52:54 PDT by Coyote
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To: Coyote

Bumping to awaken America to the Truth!!!

26 Posted on 08/26/2001 11:42:30 PDT by shotabug
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To: shotabug

Wake up America!

If only it were possible. Duped into fearing such institutions as "the great opiate of the masses," the public has been so thoroughly comprimised by the pure heroin of the Marxists, one wonders if they can EVER wake up from their stupor.

I want unlimited, raw, uncategorized sexual satisfaction and state sponsored self esteem, 24 hours a day, along with cradle to grave security to pick up the pieces of my shattered soul! NOW!

AND I WANT MY MTV! Waaaaaaa!

27 Posted on 08/26/2001 13:02:17 PDT by Coyote
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To: Coyote

We have to keep with our faith and believe it will be done. You and I may not be witness to it, but it will be..

28 Posted on 08/26/2001 13:30:20 PDT by shotabug
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To: All Concerned Americans!!!

Bumping to inform the American people, wake up America!!!

29 Posted on 08/27/2001 17:54:03 PDT by shotabug
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To: All Concerned Americans!!!

Bumping to inform the American people!!!

30 Posted on 08/28/2001 04:30:25 PDT by shotabug
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To: All Concerned Americans!!!

Bumping to educate the American people!!!

31 Posted on 08/29/2001 12:34:29 PDT by shotabug
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To: All Concerned Americans!!!

Bumping to inform the American people!!!

32 Posted on 08/30/2001 05:28:22 PDT by shotabug
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To: shotabug

Busy bumps? You must really want a few to snap out of it!

33 Posted on 09/03/2001 12:46:21 PDT by Coyote
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To: Coyote

Just trying to get people informed. You just never know, one can only give it their best and pray that it will awaken some people to the Truth!!!

34 Posted on 09/03/2001 13:20:24 PDT by shotabug
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To: shotabug coyote

May I help!

BTTT!

35 Posted on 09/03/2001 18:46:17 PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: trax2001

ping!

36 Posted on 09/03/2001 18:48:34 PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

that's a Bump,.....dang gettin the hang of this!!!!What beach you be from!! Say it ain't the east and thanks for the humor!

37 Posted on 09/03/2001 19:09:04 PDT by trax2001
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach & trax2000

Thanks for the bumps.

38 Posted on 09/03/2001 19:11:48 PDT by shotabug
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To: Coyote

BTTT

39 Posted on 09/03/2001 19:23:58 PDT by fleebag
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To: trax2001

see my profile!

40 Posted on 09/03/2001 20:01:26 PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

email your way! ; )

41 Posted on 09/03/2001 20:13:17 PDT by trax2001
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To: shotabug

"WAKE UP AMERICA"

What a Sublime Thought!!

Good enuff to put my head on my pillow!

Good nite and bless your Hearts!

42 Posted on 09/03/2001 20:22:05 PDT by trax2001
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To: Coyote

Bump for later read

43 Posted on 09/04/2001 14:22:47 PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Coyote

Coyote yelp for later study.

44 Posted on 09/18/2001 09:52:43 PDT by mrustow
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To: Coyote; Taxman; Chief negotiator; reider; pigdog; IronJack

Excellant, and I do mean EXCELLANT, read here!

Thank you Coyote for posting it!

45 Posted on 09/18/2001 17:32:05 PDT by Bigun
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To: tex-oma, coyote

"Finally, totalitarian collectivism is orchestrated in to solve our problems. It seizes power and sets into place a repressive system Gramsci called "normalization." People actually clamor for strict centralized government intervention, and willingly sacrifice their liberty in order to end the social and political chaos."

In light of recent events, this is chilling.

46 Posted on 09/18/2001 18:22:52 PDT by Darnright
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To: Darnright

Yes it is.

L

47 Posted on 09/18/2001 18:33:07 PDT by Lurker
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To: Darnright

" People actually clamor for strict centralized government intervention, and willingly sacrifice their liberty in order to end the social and political chaos."

I heard of a recent poll where some 80% reportedly said they would be willing to sacrifice some freedoms for security. So much for live free or die eh?

I'm curious, we have had these so called airport "security" measures in place for some time now...where the innocent are constantly frisked, challenged, and their private belongings strewn public...and course now all we hear is how these measures will be stepped up. But does anyone know of any potential terrorist doing time now for having been caught by airport "security?"

48 Posted on 09/18/2001 19:20:33 PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Bigun

As one passingly familiar with Signore Gramsci, I have felt this revulsion before. But when you cite these things, you're called a paranoiac, a conspiracy theorist, a moonbeam chaser. Odd, I didn't make any of this up.

The Left will always be our enemy.

49 Posted on 09/18/2001 19:25:56 PDT by IronJack
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To: Darnright

It is, isn't it. Thanks for the reminder.

50 Posted on 09/19/2001 01:28:40 PDT by tex-oma
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To: tex-oma

bump

51 Posted on 09/19/2001 03:09:11 PDT by piasa
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To: IronJack

...But when you cite these things, you're called a paranoiac, a conspiracy theorist, a moonbeam chaser. Odd, I didn't make any of this up.

Unfortunately it does seem that to many do prefer the "head in the sand the world is as I WISH it to be" world view. I fear that the next several years will prove a VERY rude awakening for some of them at least!

52 Posted on 09/19/2001 05:07:50 PDT by Bigun
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To: Bigun, taxreform, All FReepers

Thanks for the headzup, Bigun. A must read for all FReepers.

Anybody sent this to DubYa and the Cabinet yet? Should be sent to every Senator and Congressman, as well.

I'll send a copy to Rep. (Barf Alert) Moran, Sen. Warner and Sen. Allen. Be interesting to see, what, if any, reaction I get.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

Scrap the Code! Scrap the IRS! Abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

53 Posted on 09/19/2001 08:20:46 PDT by Taxman (fdavis@salestax.org)
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To: Bigun, taxreform, All FReepers

Thanks for the headzup, Bigun. A must read for all FReepers.

Anybody sent this to DubYa and his Cabinet yet? Should be sent to every Senator and Congressman, as well.

I'll send a copy to Rep. (Barf Alert) Moran, Sen. Warner and Sen. Allen. Be interesting to see, what, if any, reaction I get.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

Scrap the Code! Scrap the IRS! Abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

54 Posted on 09/19/2001 08:22:05 PDT by Taxman (fdavis@salestax.org)
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To: Bigun, taxman, All FReepers

Thanks for the headzup, Bigun. A must read for all FReepers.

Anybody sent this to DubYa and his Cabinet yet? Should be sent to every Senator and Congressman, as well.

I'll send a copy to Rep. (Barf Alert) Moran, Sen. Warner and Sen. Allen. Be interesting to see, what, if any, reaction I get.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

Scrap the Code! Scrap the IRS! Abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

55 Posted on 09/19/2001 08:38:10 PDT by Taxman (fdavis@salestax.org)
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To: Taxman

Whoops! Sorry for the triple post. Kept getting an error message.

56 Posted on 09/19/2001 08:39:22 PDT by Taxman (fdavis@salestax.org)
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To: Taxman

Good try!

57 Posted on 09/19/2001 08:50:02 PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Taxman

Anybody sent this to DubYa and his Cabinet yet? Should be sent to every Senator and Congressman, as well. I'll send a copy to Rep. (Barf Alert) Moran, Sen. Warner and Sen. Allen. Be interesting to see, what, if any, reaction I get.

I doubt if you got a reaction, but I'd be interested to hear about it if you did.


58 Posted on 10/02/2001 11:04:24 PDT by Coyote
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To: Coyote

Bump.

59 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:01:57 PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: FReethesheeples

BUMP!!

60 Posted on 10/26/2001 09:06:33 PDT by lucyblue
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To: Coyote

BUMP

61 Posted on 10/26/2001 21:07:59 PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: Egregious Philbin; Criminal Number 18F; Nick Danger

Just in case you missed this.

62 Posted on 11/04/2001 14:28:19 PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Coyote

bump

63 Posted on 11/13/2001 10:23:37 PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Coyote

bttt

64 Posted on 02/28/2002 13:05:22 PST by Stand Watch Listen
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174 posted on 05/27/2006 8:55:27 AM PDT by Revel
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To: DoughtyOne; All

Well .. you're not alone .. Rush has been saying most of the week that he's never seen such a disconnect between congress and the public in 18 years.

It's time to get the RINO's out of office - because they are only there to side with the dems and destroy conservatism. What the RINO's don't understand is that WE ARE A MUCH LARGER GROUP THAN THEY ARE.

Whenever I get discouraged, I recall the week-long funeral of Ronald Reagan. I remember the I had the TV on all day and all night .. and I was amazed by the hundreds of thousands of people who would stand in line for hours just to walk past a flag drapped coffin.

Then .. on the day Reagan's body was flown to CA and began it's long drive up to the ranch - THE FREEWAYS AND 2-LANE ROADS BECAME ANOTHER TESTIMONY OF THE NUMBER OF CONSERVATIVES. For miles and miles and miles - cars stopped dead on the freeways - and people climbed out of their cars and stood outside - or on the bumper or on the rooftops - just to get a glimpse of a passing herse.

THE SILENT MAJORITY stood up one more time and paid honor to a real conservative leader.

This November 2006 and November 2008 - the silent majority will speak again and render the RINO's mute; reminding them one more time we did not send them to congress to support and defend the democrats, but to support and defend conservatism.

While I respect Karl Rove's genius in political matters - his stand on immigration is just plain wrong. I was encouraged to hear that Karl had visited the House committee members who will compromise the Immigration bill - and Karl tried to tell them to accept quite a bit of the Senate's version - 19 OF THE 20 MEMBERS - SAID NO!!!

At least some of our congressional people get it - and I believe Issa is one of them.

While Pelosi has now backed down from the flagrant call for the impeachment of Bush (only because she found out it would only rally us - the conservatives), there is no doubt in my mind that her first step as "majority leader" would be the call for impeachment and unending investigations. Even as much as I disagree with Bush on some things - we cannot tolerate such arrogance and misuse of power as Pelosi will unleash.

In my latest email to members of the senate - I said the following: "who are you people and what have you done with the conservatives we sent to congress ..??"

I think I will continue to send just that message until hell freezes over.


175 posted on 05/27/2006 9:00:52 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-by Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Altair333
The RINOs are bent on taking back the party. Behind this bill the motivation is not so much as to bring in millions of Democrat voters as its to show conservatives their place. And if the House caves in, conservatives will be riding in the back of the bus in this country, not only in elections but in the GOP itself.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

176 posted on 05/27/2006 9:06:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: socialismisinsidious
Socialism For The Third World. It works on a bumper sticker. I defy any one on here to name me ONE element of the Senate bill that adheres to conservative values.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

177 posted on 05/27/2006 9:07:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Revel

Chilling. (I remember that thread.)


178 posted on 05/27/2006 9:07:30 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper

Yes it is chilling. And I can no longer find it online. The FR achieves don't go back far anymore.


179 posted on 05/27/2006 9:22:59 AM PDT by Revel
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To: Enterprise

The democrats are fixin' to lose on this more than the republicans. Believe it or not, a lot of the democratic base is furious with their party for this immigration bill. Unions and Blacks, for example, are hardest hit by excessive immigration. The illegals and even legal third-world workforce are taking the lower paid American workers out at the knees. I never, ever thought I'd agree with a DU'er, but check out THEIR immigration threads. They are, of course, blaming the big coporations and business class, but they see that their dem politicos are mostly in bed with the these classes. It is interesting, to say the least.

In Southern California, 50% of the construction work force is illegal aliens, many if not most paid under the table, which has effectively ruined the American construction workers ability to bring home a decent salary. I guess now these American construction workers can retrain as computer programmers? Well, guess again! The senate immigration bill ALSO increases the HB1 visa for high tech foreign workers from 65,000 to 125,000!!!

The reason? The senators say there are not enough high tech workers in this country! What a crock! They've been grossly misled or are flat out liars. There is no shortage of high tech workers, just a shortage of high tech workers who can work for peanuts! I am a high tech trainer/instructor. I am certified in a bunch of products; I am a Microsoft Certified Trainer. If a person has coded cobol or c for the last couple of decades, he/she can easily be taught asp.net, Java, VB, C#, etc, etc.

My older students (40s-50s) are often asking me if I've heard about any decent jobs, because they are so often without one. Ask me, I'll provide any business man with names and resumes. But guess what? They cannot afford to work for minimum wage, so be prepared to pay a normal salary. These folks will negotiate a wage if you'd just let them show you their talents and skills. But it is cheaper in the short run to fire an engineer or coder when he/she gets older because they cost so much salary and benefit wise, compared to the HB1 indentured servant who will work for peanuts and provide long hours to avoid the risk of being sent home.

We are losing jobs at the bottom and the middle, due to the one-two bunch of illegal immigration and HB1 visas. The senate (both dems and repubs) has screwed the American worker.

God help the American worker. When he/she is gone, then the big corporations will realize they killed the goose that laid the golden egg!


180 posted on 05/27/2006 9:32:06 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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