Posted on 05/29/2006 3:34:54 PM PDT by SJackson
How many people do you think have a yard big enough to grow produce? Did you ever hear about people living in condos?
If you live in an urban condo, where do you put those seeds?
> Interesting - is there an investigation into this? A link?
Sadly no, I heard about it from my dad awhile back and never thought that I'd need to refrence it... maybe I can find one for you.
Bravo! I'll work for half that. (Is that how the market works?)
Exactly, I started at age 14 picking strawberries, beside mexican and vietnamese workers. I spent all of high school and college working on that nursery just south of Indianapolis. It was a great experience, then we were 12 miles from downtown Indy, living in a suburb and working on a farm, I got the advantage of all 3 lifestyles.
Now I'll admit I only picked one season then moved up to hourly worker and eventually through college as the assistant manager. I actually hired those migrant workers and dealt with them 16 hours a day for 6 weeks a year.
I checked papers and so did the owner and we dealt with INS showing up and once removing 2 workers for false papers. In the 8 years I worked there TWO got by us ( that I know of), we had 2 to 4 INS visits a year.
We also an advantage in that our migrant workers also worked for the apple orchards locally, in fact we as a group tried to keep the same people employed as long as we could and to bring them back year after year.
My point being that this system can be worked and worked legally, and that there are kids who can work these hours and jobs.
Just an add on to my earlier post. This was from 1980 to 1988.
Since it is illegal to be here to start with, what makes you think the care about the tax law.
A few day's ago some Texas contractor came by my house, he was clearing the gas line for Duke Utilities, three 80,000 dollar tractors, all driven by Mexicans., I'd say if you ask duke utilities they would say it was a contractor sub contracted to a sub contractor, etc, etc.
I doubt they do. That was my point, they're violating it, as, in most cases, are their employers. In your example, Duke's sub-contractor contension would likely be valid. Presuming the contractor considers the drivers "sub-contractors", there's a good possibility that arrangement wouldn't pass muster, and if it did the driver would be responsible for remitting FICA. In my view, there's a lot of tax $ unaccounted for.
I've used a similar slovenliness argument. If lettuce is $1.30, and moving the wages from an abusivd $5.00 an hour to a generous $15.00 an hour moves the price to $5.00 a head, then these hard working migrants doing jobs Americans won't do are picking fewer than 3 heads per hour. Presuming the entire cost of lettuce is wages, an obvoius fallacy promoted by the supporters of illegal labor. Food pricing is a strawman. And if we can only grow lettuce with $5.00 an hour labor, let it be grown in Mexico, an increase in their wage scale and a significant saving in social costs for America. In theory, that was one of the objectives of NAFTA anyway.
Go to DU and then tell me that same statement.
In containers, on a shelf near a window. If you have a balconey, better yet.
**Gosh, I can't believe how UN-self-reliant some folks can be! If there were ever an emergency that interrupted food supplies, folks like you would STARVE!
That is correct, but you do know that most truck drivers are considered sub contractor and the IRS has approved it. The sub contractor law's and rules and the abuse there of is one of the things that need to be fixed.
As in "Let them eat cake"?
Have you ever seen an average big city condo?
For a time, dear hubby and I lived in one--and grew a few yummies in containers.
"The more important question, 10-12 million illegals generate a half million SS# mismatches, what's happening to the tax remittances for the rest?"
I understand that the SSA also accepts money deposited for 999-99-9999, though I haven't heard how many have their money put in this way. (It would be kind of hard to tell, since all have the same SSN. :-)
I expect that what you're really getting at is that most don't pay into Social Security, at all, or pay Federal Income Tax, or any other form of withholding, for that matter. Many are paid on an "under the table", or "cash", basis.
Obviously, illegal aliens (on the average) pay very little in the way of taxes. They consume (on the average) tens of thousands of dollars, per year, in government services, however.
Isn't it fun to deal with the misconceptions of those who are innumerate? ;-)
We already have visas to cover quotas for agricultural workers. One of the 9-11 hijackers came into the country on an agricultural visa but never worked on a farm. In California the growers are now having a hard time getting enough workers because the illegal aliens who used to do the work now have no fear of ever being caught or deported with Bush in office. The illegals now are taking Americans' retail jobs, contruction, drywall, restaurant workers, cashiers in supermarkets, etc. Eight illegal aliens were working at the Los Angeles Country Dept. of Water and Power (one was making more than $100,000 a year). Why should illegal aliens stick with hard farm labor when they know they can easily go anywhere in our country and work pretty much wherever they want as Presidente Jorge W. Bush has made it clear he will never enforce our immigration laws.
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