[longtermmemmory]

You have to be careful asking this because you have many looney libertarians around here.

Short answer it is both and inseperable.

The effort to split the two is a Moby product of the Lackoff "win with words" propaganda scam to try and revitalize the left by arguing the myth that the two are seperate.

[mc6809e]

You have to be careful asking this because you have many looney libertarians around here.

"They hate us for our freedoms."

[Dominic Harr]

The effort to split the two is a Moby product of the Lackoff "win with words" propaganda scam to try and revitalize the left by arguing the myth that the two are seperate.

The effort to define the 2 is the key to revitalizing the R party.

Like it or not, there are 2 distinct groups in what was the R party's "Contract with America" revolution. And we'll have to work together again to save the R party.

So first, we have to start talking - and listening - to each other.

Now, we have each group claiming the other doesn't belong. Each side claiming only *they* are the real conservatives.

That is the split I'm hoping to heal.

[tacticalogic]

You have to be careful asking this because you have many looney libertarians around here.

Short answer it is both and inseperable.

The effort to split the two is a Moby product of the Lackoff "win with words" propaganda scam to try and revitalize the left by arguing the myth that the two are seperate.