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A Talk at Lunch That Shifted the Stance on Iran
NYT ^ | 6/4/06 | HELENE COOPER and DAVID E. SANGER

Posted on 06/03/2006 11:03:37 AM PDT by bnelson44

WASHINGTON, June 3 — On a Tuesday afternoon two months ago, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sat down to a small lunch in President Bush's private dining room behind the Oval Office and delivered grim news to her boss: Their coalition against Iran was at risk of falling apart.

That question touched off a closely held two-month effort to reach a drastically different strategy, one articulated in a single sentence that Ms. Rice wrote in a private memo to the president. It broached the idea that the United States end its nearly three-decade-long policy against negotiating directly with Iran.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; islamic; israel; kaaboom; rice; terror
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1 posted on 06/03/2006 11:03:38 AM PDT by bnelson44
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To: bnelson44

As the "proposal" will once again be rejected out of hand by the mad mullahs, what will be the next appeasement, or will someone in D.C. grow a spine?


2 posted on 06/03/2006 11:06:02 AM PDT by Pox
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To: bnelson44

What does that word "superpower" mean, again?


3 posted on 06/03/2006 11:07:32 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Pox; Izzy Dunne

Just relax both of you. If Iran does not stop in six months or so building their nuclear weapon program, they will be bombed by us back to the seventh century where they like to be. Iran will not have the nuclear bomb as long as GW Bush is President.


4 posted on 06/03/2006 11:17:00 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

They already have a 7th century mentality, so taking their infrastructure back there won't be too bad for them...


5 posted on 06/03/2006 11:18:02 AM PDT by freedomcrusader (Proudly wearing the politically incorrect label "crusader" since 1/29/2001)
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To: jveritas
Back in the 80's and 90's I would have agreed with you, but in the present with the undue influence the liberals have now in both the U.S. and Israel, I cannot see us or them having the will to actually go through with military action.

I hope I am wrong.
6 posted on 06/03/2006 11:19:43 AM PDT by Pox
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To: freedomcrusader

Actually only the mullahs have the 7th century mindset. Your average Persian does not.


7 posted on 06/03/2006 11:23:06 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: jveritas
Just relax both of you. If Iran does not stop in six months or so building their nuclear weapon program, they will be bombed by us back to the seventh century where they like to be. Iran will not have the nuclear bomb as long as GW Bush is President.

The Prez has done a lot of things in the last six months to confuse and alienate his base, but I belive he will not drop the ball on this one, quite frankly the most important issue of his second term.

8 posted on 06/03/2006 11:29:44 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: bnelson44
Their coalition against Iran was at risk of falling apart.

What 'coalition'? It will be us and the Brits and Aussies. No one else has the ability to project air power over Iran. For political reasons the Israelis won't be allowed to take an active role, but will be involved behind the scenes.

9 posted on 06/03/2006 11:31:22 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Pox
Afghanistan 2001, Iraq 2003. Please do not underestimate the resolve of President Bush when it comes to protecting our national security.
10 posted on 06/03/2006 11:40:43 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

I have 50 cents that says that won't happen.


11 posted on 06/03/2006 11:41:07 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: jveritas

I certainly do not underestimate that resolve, but I am also taking into account the political capital he has expended upon Iraq. I am completely behind that decision but the bulk of the country is wishy-washy thanks the to medias non stop negativity.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see the right thing done, but I do not believe it will happen due to the medias undue influence over our citizens.


12 posted on 06/03/2006 11:44:35 AM PDT by Pox
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To: bnelson44

Why?


13 posted on 06/03/2006 11:44:46 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Because the international community would not be behind it and we would be at too much risk of loosing what few friends we have in the mid-East.

ALL the mid-East countries want to see Iran get the bomb, because it will be an excuse for them to get one as well. It is a way for them to participate as equals in the world community, something the Arabs have been wanting since 500 AD.


14 posted on 06/03/2006 11:47:08 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Actually only the mullahs have the 7th century mindset. Your average Persian does not.

Well, then, the average Persian needs to a) purchase weapons, and b)learn to organize outside of Iran into divisions and inside of Iran in cells, and c) get to work toppling the mullahs. That's because the average Persians have allowed the mullahs to take over their country and threaten the extinction of others.

I really don't want war with the "average Persian". I don't want U.S. troops to have to always be in harms way, doing the dirty work of the world. I don't want U.S. taxpayers to have to foot the bill for other people's freedom. And besides, Persian women are incredibly hot and sultry.

But if the "average Persian" doesn't want war, it's past time for them to roll up their sleves and establish a (more) secular governance of Iran, by any means possible.

15 posted on 06/03/2006 11:49:00 AM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: freedomcrusader

I would think that they would actually be thankful!


16 posted on 06/03/2006 11:51:25 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: jveritas
Please do not underestimate the resolve of President Bush when it comes to protecting our national security.

Oh really?

17 posted on 06/03/2006 11:54:32 AM PDT by Founding Father (I'm building a fence near Palominas, Az. along with my "vigilante" friends.)
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To: bnelson44
I doubt very much that any Arab country want Iran to have the bomb first, except for Syria.

Iran will not have a nuclear bomb even if we alienate the whole Middle East. Trust me on this one, most arabs hate Iran and vice versa and they will be glad to see Iran being destroyed. The hatred between Arabs and Persians is immense.

18 posted on 06/03/2006 11:58:34 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Pox
will someone in D.C. grow a spine?

I doubt it.

Here's why:


19 posted on 06/03/2006 12:00:31 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Yossarian

I agree with you 100%


20 posted on 06/03/2006 12:01:33 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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