Papers: CIA knew of Eichmann whereabouts

AP ^ | June 6, 2006 | HOPE YEN

[StJacques]

". . . What of the moral compromise as we stood by and did nothing to save 100 million from genocide. . ."

I think it would be more accurate to say "as we stood by and did little to save 100 million from genocide."

America, and to a lesser extent Great Britain, are the only two nations who spoke with any forcefulness of the crimes being committed by the Communists within their own country. The U.S. did not normalize relations with the Soviets until 1933 in fact, and that may not have happened then if we had not seen Hitler coming to power and the League of Nations collapsing in the wake of Japan's invasion of Manchuria two years earlier.

But unfortunately we had our own "apologists" within this country, such as Lincoln Steffens, who told us "I have seen the future and it works," and Margaret Bourke-White whose Eyes on Russia (1931) showed nothing of the calamity of collectivization that was underway at that very moment, and who were among those who did so much to use the Soviet Union as an alternative to make us "come to grips" with our own social inadequacies, that their voices at least equalized, if not having drowned out entirely, those who were trying to call the Soviets what they really were; mass murderers.

[Gorobei]

As horrific and reprehensible as the Holocaust was...there is no denying that, ever...Stalin was responsible for murdering far more people than Hitler was, y'know.

[spanalot]

"I think it would be more accurate to say "as we stood by and did little to save 100 million from genocide.""

Actually, we did nothing to stop the Famine genocides of 1921, 1931, and 1947. In fact, we did all that we could to cover it up. Duranty won a Pulitzer for extolling the virtues of communism and Roosevelts son received a fortune in "commissions" for the sale of Fokker airplanes to the newly recognized USSR.

You have to stop reading the NY Times.

And the next biggest victims of this were the Jews. Hitler saw that his ally Stalin was getting away with mass murder!
"The death of one person is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic."

The only aid came from Austria.

[MeanWestTexan]

Never said he wasn't.

Just that hitching the wagon to the SS was a bad idea.

[MeanWestTexan]

I am not defending Stalin. Give me a break.

Just stating that using the SS was unacceptable.

Other methods -- like nukes --- would have been great.

[spanalot]

"Other methods -- like nukes --- would have been great."

Agreed

[FreedomPoster]

>>But unfortunately we had our own "apologists" within this country

Walter Duranty belongs high up in that list.

[July 4th]

No kidding.

[RedStateRocker]

As long as one was SURE you wouldn't have to contend with nearly one hundred Russian divisions and those winters.
What makes anyone think the Russians wouldn't have done the same thing, trade space for time, let winter do the dirty work and strike once our lines of supply were hundreds of miles along. I mean I admire Patton as much as anyone on this board but I bet Ike knew a damn sight more than most of us and looking at the logistics said 'no'.
It would make an interesting scenario to game out; have to see if I still have Squad Leader around.

But there were a HELL of a lot of well armed, battle trained Red army and highly paranoid (with good reason having just lost 20 million or so to Germany) leadership, in the scale of things two 20 kiloton nukes might not have been as overwhelming as they were against tiny Japan.

[SJackson]

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Having been hung, it doesn't matter much any more.

[StJacques]

"Walter Duranty belongs high up in that list."

A historian at Stanford named Robert Conquest wrote an excellent book entitled The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine, which you can see reviewed here (3 reviews), in which he included either an entire chapter or the major part of a chapter on the western "apologists" for the Soviet Union, especially naming those who were either duped --he puts Margaret Bourke-White in this category -- or even some who were outright collaborators in hiding the truth of what was going on in the Soviet Union, especially in the 1930's, when the Stalin Terror was at its peak. I'm trying to remember what, if anything, he said about Walter Duranty but it doesn't come to mind. But Conquest takes no prisoners when he calls the roll I can assure you.

If you ever get a chance to read the book, please do so. It is a compelling story.

[FreedomPoster]

He is named in the book; at the Amazon page in your link, his name appears under Inside This Book - Capitalized Phrases (CAPs), about 1/4th the way down the page.

[StJacques]

"He is named in the book; at the Amazon page in your link, his name appears under Inside This Book - Capitalized Phrases (CAPs), about 1/4th the way down the page."

Well ok, there you go. I only read the reviews.

But mark my words, this is a very good book, though it might make you a little angry. I was bloody well p____d off when I got into some of the rougher sections, and nothing made me angrier than the issue I just related to you in my last post; how American journalists played an especially important role in concealing all this.

Did Duranty work for the New York Times? I remember Conquest was especially hard on that paper as the worst offender.

[DTA]

>>>>>>>>The impression I have is that a lot of former nazis were allowed to move to South America unmolested as a price tag for making Germany governable.<<<<<<<

Not only South America. Almost 10 000 Nazis settled in U.S. of A. Many of them were part of Operation Paperclip. The entire speace program was run by them. Think of symbolism V1, V2, SATURN V

Many of them were war criminals responsible for deaths of thousands of people.

[FreedomPoster]

Duranty worked for the NY Times, and won a Pulitzer Prize for his "reporting" on the Soviet Union. Which they still display today, and no one has repudiated, from what I can tell. Completely disgusting.

[FreedomPoster]

Here you go, find a few appropriate articles here, for more on the NY Times and Walter Duranty:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=duranty

[StJacques]

Thanks for the link FP!

I can't recall word for word what Conquest had to say, but I remember that he charged the New York Times with deliberately misrepresenting what was taking place in the Soviet Union for reasons of the political ideology of those reporting. It is a terrible indictment.

And more importantly, it is the truth, not that that matters much these days.

[Bella_Bru]

The Israelis seemed awfully concerned about hiding their plans to kidnap Eichmann, even from the Americans who were supposed to be their allies, and I've always wondered why.

Maybe because we would have told them to back off and that we would handle it? Just like we try to do now, everytime Israel tries to defend herself.

Good for them for the wise decision to not include us in their plans to bring Eichmann to justice.

[IronJack]

You may very well be right. Their scalpel seems to cut much more cleanly than our broadsword.

[MeanWestTexan]

Nuke their cities and factories and don't advance forward against the russians --- use the winters against them.

Bomb the troops conventionally and use our superior air power to keep them from advancing further.

The russians divisions would have been fairly -- fairly --- easily prevented from forward motion, and eventually starved out as supplies stopped.