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Teacher Salaries: More Attention Needed to Specifics ( The Millionaire Next Door)
EducationNews.org ^ | June 16, 2006 | David W. Kirkpatrick

Posted on 06/17/2006 5:15:15 AM PDT by wintertime

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To: moose2004
My sister in law teaches 10th grade English in southern California and makes $70,000 a year. Not bad.

And I have a neighbor boy who could hardly make it through high school who is making $100,000+ as a conductor on the railroad. Three months training. Go figure.

341 posted on 06/17/2006 2:51:40 PM PDT by Pure Country
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To: cherry

I know plenty of teachers that work on the weekends, stay late because of after school activities and meetings, and get to work way before I wake up (7am).


342 posted on 06/17/2006 2:53:11 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: cherry
maybe there are teachers that actually work from home with students papers.... You must be talking to the wrong kind of teachers. I grade every paper that I assign the students. To be honest it isn't too bad, except when I give exams and grade laboratory reports.

but mostly, they live charmed lives....don't get up as early as most people to go to work....have frequent breaks plus a nice lunch, get to finish work in 6 hrs...School begins at 8:30 in our school. I am at school by 7:30. My frequent break is 1st period prep which is used to attend various meetings regarding my students. LOL, my nice lunch consists of a 25 minute lunch period. After the students are dismissed at 3:20, I remain after school to run off papers for the next day. I usually leave school around 5:00, tack on about an hour to 3 hours to grade papers depending on what needs to be graded.

they don't have to work any weekends...any holidays....and summers and spring break and all those lovely three and four day holiday weekends....let's not forget they also can take other Personal days just in case their time off which is extensive, is not enough.... During the school year I use a big part of my weekend making lesson plans for the following week. We do get 3 personal days a year that I use for personal business. As to sick days I rarely use them. This coming year I will have accumulated 156 sick days. Ya never know when I first started to teach I had 85 days accumulated when I had to have back surgery causing me to use them all.

remember also that they get these added "free" days designed specifically so they can work on all those tough issues like how to set up recess time with the kids or how to cram more stuff into even fewer days so they can go golfing or whatever they do....Personally I would rather remain in the classroom and teach my students. Unfortunately NJ law requires that we accumulate 100 hours of continued education. I try to avoid missing school days by taking summer courses. I hate taking them because we are stuck listening to a bunch of nitwits who haven't taught in a classroom for years.

education students have the easiest course load available..

I took the classes other students tried mightily to avoid. My degree is in Anthropology and Archaeology. My certification is in secondary school (history) because of the strong background in science I also got a certification in Science.

343 posted on 06/17/2006 3:01:52 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: luckystarmom

I just can't stay away!!
Folks like that will NEVER get it and as I said, when we try to point out where they are mistaken, we end up sounding like we are whining about our jobs. If it makes them feel better to think we all get up late, go home early, have leisurely lunches (which makes me laugh out loud!),only work when the sun's out, and get paid exorbitant sums of money-well ok. Hell, why isn't EVERYONE clamoring to be a teacher with that work schedule??


344 posted on 06/17/2006 3:05:06 PM PDT by WHESS
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To: rwfromkansas

BS&W. There is absolutely no reason for giving a politician--and that is what the job entails, politics--more money than the salary of the President of the United States.


345 posted on 06/17/2006 3:09:03 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: antisocial

Do you know that the superintendent of the Dallas ISD is paid three times the salary of the governor of Texas?


346 posted on 06/17/2006 3:10:47 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: mware

My "nice lunch" is usually a sandwich I brought from home, eaten at my desk during my 25 minute lunch break while I grade papers or do lesson plans.


347 posted on 06/17/2006 3:33:27 PM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Amelia
My "nice lunch" is usually a sandwich I brought from home, eaten at my desk during my 25 minute lunch break while I grade papers or do lesson plans.

Before I can have my "nice lunch" of 25 minutes I have to escort my students to the lunch room and then meet them after lunch is over.

LOL, my mom was always reminding me to take my time when I got home for dinner. I was still on my teacher schedule and would wolf down my dinner.

348 posted on 06/17/2006 3:38:31 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: RobbyS

I just wonder what kind of perks also go along with that Superintendent's job: a car to drive, etc.

In our district in San Jose, we have a superintendent and 3 assistant ones, and they all make huge amounts of money.

There is so much overhead in our district office. I see so much more waste in the administration than I do with the teacher salaries.


349 posted on 06/17/2006 3:44:42 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Triggerhippie

"I hope you never need EMS, Fire, or Police services....It would be a shame to have to be indebted to people whose wages you "

I repeat I begrudge every dollar government collects from me....I want to make sure it is spent wisely and only for necessary items.

Just because certain people in certain jobs, in the course of doing their duty, might do something for me, the person who provides for their paycheck does not mean that their paycheck should be infinitely large. Just because a teacher teaches one of my kids does not mean that gov't largesse ought to be granted to them.

It's really a simple concept. That the elegance of limited government - and necessarily limited government services - is lost upon those who feed at the gov't trough is no surprise, really.

But, I do financially support my volunteer EMS & Fire Depts.

They do a good enough job and are an excellent value for the taxpayers of my area - and unlike the EMS, Fire, or Police services that you envision, serve all the people in my area, regardless of whether they financially support them.


350 posted on 06/17/2006 4:26:16 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: luckystarmom

Management gets away with this stuff because businessmen go along with this stuff. They think that superintendents are "one of them" just because he has a huge budget at his disposal.


351 posted on 06/17/2006 4:29:01 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: wintertime

Teachers - the Millionaire Next Door. After working twenty years as a teacher, I retired and make slightly less than $1,000 a month in retirement pay.

But, I AM the millionaire next door only because I took my pittance of savings and invested well, very well. It has nothing to do with a retirement plan. The retirement plan my county held lost money.

I know you hate teaching as a profession, but you, too, can be a milllionaire.

I'd teach you but I hate rude clients.










352 posted on 06/17/2006 4:36:42 PM PDT by debg
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To: raybbr
Name one item that is inaccurate. I didn't say your thoughts were inaccurate. I pointed out that people are quick to jump on an average American that wants to make more money. But, if a CEO of a poorly run, or even a well run company, makes millions, no one says a word. In fact, they are applauded. Why do you not applaud a teacher that betters himself and his family for making as much money as he can?

Exactly when was the last time a CEO of any company sent in a goon with a gun to demand that you pay for a product/service that was pure unadulteratedl sh*t?

353 posted on 06/17/2006 4:40:26 PM PDT by dearolddad
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To: RobbyS

I am not saying the salaries are justified. Anything above $150,000 a year is too much IMO.


354 posted on 06/17/2006 5:10:19 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: diggerwillow
One teacher can impact a child's life substantially.

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Oh...PULEEZE! More whining! What do you want a Mother Teresa Award?

There are THOUSANDS of people who can impact a child's life enormously. Unlike teachers they better be in top form every minute of every working day, because if they aren't, that child will DIE.

The workers who make his medicine. The architects and contractors who build the safe buildings he frequents.His dentist who will save his life by preventing and treating dental abscesses. The mechanic who services the car he rides in. The farmer and farm help who grow his food.
355 posted on 06/17/2006 5:28:44 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Amelia
Believe, me I didn't get into this profession for the money.

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Another whiner who wants a Mother Teresa award.

There are THOUSANDS of non-teachers who are doing their work for the satisfaction of helping children and adults, and not doing it for the money.
356 posted on 06/17/2006 5:31:46 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Scarchin
Well - all of you who are asserting that teaching is such a great deal - I'm sure that there are a few openings in your local district!
Not interested? I didn't think so...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^666

It would be like giving CPR to a decayed and putrefying horse.

Government schools are beyond reformation. I prefer to work in a profession that actually helps children instead of giving them lobotomies.
357 posted on 06/17/2006 5:39:19 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: BingoNutZ
Actually got into the field to make a difference in the students lives

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Another applicant for the Mother Teresa Award.

BingoNutz, hate to break it to you but there are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of non-teachers who are doing their job because they want to make a difference in children's and adults lives.
358 posted on 06/17/2006 5:42:59 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: maine-iac7

Hope you aren't a math teacher.

Just a socialist ( Marxist-lite).

As I previously posted there should be a bumper sticker:

I am an economic illiterate. Thank a Marxist teacher.


359 posted on 06/17/2006 5:45:33 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: alvindsv
Dr. Morton

Attorneys, although holding a doctorate, chose to be addressed by the title of Mister.

Doctor? Your professional attorneys would consider this an affectation.
360 posted on 06/17/2006 5:51:14 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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