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Teacher Salaries: More Attention Needed to Specifics ( The Millionaire Next Door)
EducationNews.org ^ | June 16, 2006 | David W. Kirkpatrick

Posted on 06/17/2006 5:15:15 AM PDT by wintertime

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To: Amelia
I suppose you would be Pigpen, the character who is always surrounded by a black cloud?

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Still attempting to psychoanalyze, I see.
481 posted on 06/19/2006 3:48:53 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Amelia

Mine were in the top 1% in the nation - 30+ years ago, before they "realigned" the scores.


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Amelia, in science, you would be considered an "outlier".


482 posted on 06/19/2006 3:51:26 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime
Amelia, in science, you would be considered an "outlier".

Thanks, but most of the science teachers I know are "smarter than the average bear"...some schools let the coach teach science, though, or did before NCLB. ;-)

483 posted on 06/19/2006 7:57:37 PM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: biscotti
To me, teaching is a profession, but one that demands the engagement of the spirit to be effective. It's a calling.

I think that's true. I wouldn't say I'm the world's best teacher, but part of me has always wanted to teach, even when it wasn't a "logical" thing to do.

I know some people who majored in elementary education because it was "easy" but so many more who could have done other things but wanted or needed to teach.

Divorce is probably the main culprit for children's poor performance. I know several boys who needed to be left back because they were emotionally devastated by their parents' divorce.

Yes, I've seen that as well. A couple really stand out in my mind. Gifted children, but they just quit, because they were so emotionally bereft.

I assume, as in some private companies, there is little preparation for leadership given to teachers who wish to become administrators.

In my state, they are required to have a degree or certificate in "leadership" but I'm not quite sure what that entails. I've always figured if I left the classroom I'd go back to industry, but I like being in the classroom. There's nothing quite like that "lightbulb" moment.

I think, though, that some - not all - of the teachers who end up in administration never liked or were never good at teaching to begin with.

As an aside, it would be fun to start a thread celebrating great teachers who changed the way we see the world.

You know, I had so many great teachers. I didn't like them all at the time, but most of my teachers were really good. I guess I was lucky.

484 posted on 06/19/2006 8:11:06 PM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Amelia
you may *think* you know, and you may *think* it's easy, but you don't have a clue.

Question and off subject, but you could do me a favor. What do the * * around the words think mean. I've seen these a bunch of times but never picked up on what they mean. Thanks.

485 posted on 06/19/2006 11:51:13 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: RobbyS
As a former teacher, I do not see, for the life of me, how you can tie salary to the performance of students.

Wow, I don't see how it should be any other way. It seems like the more reasonable and applicable barometer. We really are of different minds on this. So far apart, I think, that we can never come to agreement.

486 posted on 06/19/2006 11:54:40 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Amelia
OK, I have a question for you. What does this sign mean?

And this one is the same

These are from the school cafeteria. I don't understand them but the teachers on here should be able to explain. Please do.

487 posted on 06/20/2006 12:05:58 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
What do the * * around the words think mean.

Extra emphasis. Easier than italicizing, for the lazy. ;-)

488 posted on 06/20/2006 5:32:32 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: investigateworld
"Self", I says to meself, "the Viet Cong can't be this bad". I shortly thereafter took a 2 year enlistment in Uncle Sam's Mean Green Machine. Never went back. It's not as easy as it looks.

Too funny!

But you're right, it's not as easy as it looks -- or at least, it wasn't for me.

489 posted on 06/20/2006 5:33:59 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: BJungNan
My guess, especially considering the type lettering and the palm tree in the 2nd sign, is that it's a take-off on the TV series "Survivor" and that someone decided to portray the test as an adventure with that theme. When were the pictures taken? Was it a couple of years ago when you couldn't go anywhere without hearing something about "Survivor"?

I've never seen signs that said "Survive the test". We do encourage students to eat a good breakfast & get plenty of sleep the night before.

The students at the school where I teach have 2 kinds of standardized tests: the state graduation tests, and state-developed & graded end-of-course-tests. If they don't pass the former, they don't get a diploma (with certain limited exceptions). By law in our state, the latter are counted as 15% of the semester grade. So, for both tests, it's in the student's interest to do well.

Since NCLB, our school is graded on student performance on the tests and also on how many students are present for the test (apparently some schools used to encourage lower-performing students to stay home on test day to make their average scores higher).

490 posted on 06/20/2006 5:46:09 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: wintertime
But, what needs to change so that more bright individuals will choose teaching as a career instead of these "high status" careers?

You never did address this part of my post. Any ideas?

491 posted on 06/20/2006 5:47:22 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Amelia
But, what needs to change so that more bright individuals will choose teaching as a career instead of these "high status" careers?

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Private schools don't seem to be having a problem. My children's pre-school Montessori teachers were wonderful. They did the job because they loved it, not because of the money.
492 posted on 06/20/2006 6:02:01 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime
Private schools don't seem to be having a problem. My children's pre-school Montessori teachers were wonderful. They did the job because they loved it, not because of the money.

Many public school teachers also teach because they love it, and not because of the money.

But you assume that all private schools are high quality, and they aren't. You also assume that all private school teachers are of high quality, and they aren't.

But if we base this discussion on your assumptions that private school teachers are intelligent and motivated, but public school teachers are neither, WHY can private schools attract intelligent, capable individuals when public schools cannot?

493 posted on 06/20/2006 7:28:39 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Amelia
My guess, especially considering the type lettering and the palm tree in the 2nd sign, is that it's a take-off on the TV series "Survivor" and that someone decided to portray the test as an adventure with that theme. When were the pictures taken? Was it a couple of years ago when you couldn't go anywhere without hearing something about "Survivor"?

Now that is an interesting guess. Can't say it is wrong. I just had not made that connection. Sure would be nice if that is what is was. Otherwise to me it sounds, well, less than inspiring.

The pictures are recent. The posters are hanging on the cafeteria wall as I write this.

494 posted on 06/20/2006 9:15:02 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
Now that is an interesting guess. Can't say it is wrong. I just had not made that connection. Sure would be nice if that is what is was. Otherwise to me it sounds, well, less than inspiring.

Sounds less than inspiring to me, too, but I'm not a "Survivor" fan anyway. However, I hear several of the teachers discussing "Survivor", "Lost" and similar shows frequently, so I think there are a lot of fans out there.

Did you take the pictures? Maybe you could ask someone at the school?

495 posted on 06/20/2006 2:59:55 PM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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