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To: A. Pole
No, NATO was boming from the air (killing from the distance does not count

Wrong. NATO didn't bomb any targets other than missile sites which had targeted USAF facilities.

provided training,

NATO did not train the Croat army. Individual Croatian army officers had participated in joint training exercises with NATO personnel well before the Krajina campaign but NATO personnel were not training them with an eye to invading Krajina but to creating ties between Croatia and NATO to encourage Croatia to join NATO. The training exercises these individuals participated in were also attended by individual officers from various nations' armies.

supplies

Croatia purchased their own supplies on the open market.

and satelite information,

That's your claim. Croatia had access to commercial satellite reconnaissance through its membership in EUMETSAT.

diplomatic and propaganda support

Wrong again. Which NATO diplomats represnted Croatia? How many press releases and press events did NATO conduct to support Croatia's claims? The answer would be none and none.

One of us lives in one created by the mass media.

The mass media's take is that the poor Muslims in the Balkans were pure and innocent victims of inexplicable Serbian aggression.

The Milosevic-fellating take is that the poor Serbs were pure and innocent victims of inexplicable Croatian and Muslim and American and British aggression.

Those of us in the real world recognize that both sides had grievances and both sides committed atrocities and that no one in the Balkans' hands are clean.

131 posted on 06/28/2006 8:34:15 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake; wonders
Wrong. NATO didn't bomb any targets other than missile sites which had targeted USAF facilities.

NATO planes were also jamming Serbian radar to enable Croat planes to bomb fleeing civilians. Did you know that German street cleaning equipment was used to clean up the "road pizza" mess of Serbs and their vehicles smashed and slaughtered on the way out? An American UN official who was on the ground (and a freeper too) witnessed that.

NATO did not train the Croat army.

The training was done by the U.S. MPRI which was "retired" U.S. officers - many who "retired" temporarily to train the Croats and then official rejoined after that. It was only a formality.

132 posted on 06/28/2006 9:00:53 AM PDT by joan
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To: wideawake
"Those of us in the real world recognize that both sides had grievances and both sides committed atrocities and that no one in the Balkans' hands are clean."

The U.S. supported the old troublemakers (those with a history of spreading hate who had been jailed during Yugoslavia's existance - long before Milosevic came to power.)

Even though a more moderate Muslim, Fikret Abdic, garnered more votes in Bosnia, he was somehow swept asside and it was maneuvered to have Izetbegovic becoming the leader. And the unquestioned acceptance and praise for him by the west shows that he was who they wanted.

The west chose a recipe for breakup and purposely. The whining about atrocities against specific groups was only to further their agenda.

133 posted on 06/28/2006 9:05:33 AM PDT by joan
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To: wideawake; Kolokotronis; kosta50; TeĆ³filo; x5452; Dionysiusdecordealcis; siunevada; kronos77; ...
The mass media's take is that the poor Muslims in the Balkans were pure and innocent victims of inexplicable Serbian aggression.

The Milosevic-fellating take is that the poor Serbs were pure and innocent victims of inexplicable Croatian and Muslim and American and British aggression.

Milosevic is Red Herring here. Of course it is not possible in a prolonged civil war for any side to remain innocent. The fact is that Western mass media took side of "good" Muslims and Croatians against the "evil" Serbs. This provided propaganda cover for the two main crimes of this civil war - the accomplished extirpation of Krajina and the ongoing extirpation of Serbs in Kosovo.

The absurdity of anti-Serbian propaganda is well illustrated by a movie - The Sum of All Fears where it is Serbs who are the nuclear terrorists.

The vilification of Serbs is uncannily similar to the vilification of Jews by the Nazis. Even the caricatures of Serbs often resembled the pictures from Der Sturmer.

Human nature does not change, it is not PC anymore to hate Jews, so the Serbs satisfy the need to have the demonized group.

I am still hoping that some day you decide to take the red pill and read the book :)

134 posted on 06/28/2006 9:11:38 AM PDT by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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