[wideawake]

I'd have and post up photos but I'm in Iraq now continuing to fight islamic hordes you are defending.

Thank you for your service.

As for your analysis . . . blah, blah, blah - criticizing Milosevic equals defending Islam? Not much logic there.

Do you realize the Serb Army offered an amnesty pass for ALL muslims that include the men of military age to get on the bus with full UN Escort to Tuzla?

I'm sure the Serb Army would say anything that would reflect upon them favorably. Their main objective at the time was to gain as much territory as possible, of course.

There, a split formed within the muslim army of those who wanted to leave v. those who wanted to stay.

I'm sure a split did form. Various observers claim that at least half the men in Srebrenica fled on foot toward Tuzla.

Oric muslims were ordered to create the scene of violence and death to pin the blame on the Serbs (it actually worked).

Who gave this order? Which Muslims volunteered to die in order to make this whole ruse look convincing?

Not very good for much fighting like the other areas. All slopes and very high degree climbs/descents.

Bad for tanks, but decent for artillery emplacements on adjoining rises.

you know, i'd like to further comment more..but........... you don't know cr@p of what happened and you are easily swayed by your own weakmind.

Please clarify: are you saying that you were actually present in Srebrenica and/or surrounding communities at some point during July 6-22 1995?

[joan]

This is a book you can buy at amazon.com or probably find in your local library. It is written to push the Srebrenica hype and is about a large extended family of brothers-in-laws, sisters-in-laws, their parents, and children and it has plenty of pictures of them. Yet what I notice is that absolutely none of the women and children in the family lost their lives, nor were there any injuries during the war and evacuation. The military aged men in the family were soldiers who walked out. There were indeed a couple of missing men of the family who were soldiers too - but they were last seen during the march out after there was a skirmish with the Serbs outside Srebrenica - meaning they likely perished in the fights, one of which had large tree branch falling, after an exchange of fire, and killing several the men while having others run off in panic (they often travelled through wooded areas yet not too deep that they keep a side road in their sight).

The Muslims had a large, battled-hardened army up to the day before the fall, and held the advantage of being in a defensive position and the terrain, yet most all of them MARCHED OUT WITHOUT FIGHTING.

This is the quote from one of the men who says they were ordered to leave their strong defenses all around. I seriously doubt the smaller Serb force coming could have entered Srebrenica if the Muslim army seriously tried to defend it. That's why I think it was a set up - the Serbs were allowed to take Srebrenica, probably as a way to wrap up the war and make a neater separation of the factions at the time.

After the Fall: Srebrenica Survivors in St. Louis

P. 120 “Srebrenica Survivors in St. Louis: After the Fall” text and interviews by Patrick McCarthy:

Srebrenica’s fall was very sudden. We were in our village when the attack began. There were strong points, strong defenses all around. My brother was with me. My mother, wife, and child were together and they went to Potocari.

Around 7:30 in the evening, we got the news that women and children should go in one direction and that men should go in another direction because of the possibility of attack.

The order came from the brigade commander in Srebrenica and the people followed that direction.

It was really hard. My wife took our child and left. I stayed behind at our house and waited for others who were leaving, so that we could go together.

About 11:15 p.m., the men started to get together and we went to a nearby village where the men were also gathering. I was with my family, friends, and neighbors. At one point, there were, I think, something like eighteen thousand men together in that one place.

They told us it would be difficult to walk from the place where we had gathered, to walk to Tuzla, because it was hard to organize eighteen thousand people into one row so that they would go one after another.

People started leaving about 1:00 a.m. It wasn’t our time to go until about 6:00 a.m. Those ahead of us were moving for five hours and we still didn’t leave until 6:00 a.m. – my brother and the others I was with.

We crossed the Serb line and it immediately became more difficult because we were in their territory. There was one huge group of people walking in front of us, marking the way to go. Of course, after eighteen thousand people go, there is a mark of the way, there was a trail of the way out.

…

I arrived in Tuzla on the seventh day.

[ma bell]

You are also aware that the muslims also crossed the Drina River to enter Serbia, don't you? They were treated well after processing to ensure they were not wanted or known criminals.

You are defending the mujas as your proof shows it.

Izetbegovic and Oric ordered his his men to stay as they knew the circumstances. Cross line forays and entering Serbian villages with the purpose of killing, only will bring vengeance brought back onto the perps. Alas too, they did also make a raid across the Drina into Serbian Proper, an international incident that should have brought a military response from the Serbian Army but restraint was shown.

You lost me and probably others when you mention the 'Serbs will say anything'.

You have become a hopeless cause that upon completion of your college freshman year and reach the age of twenty, maybe you will begin seeing how the world of politics actually functions.