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To: DaveLoneRanger
It hasn't been 1994 for a long time.

AiG still has materials up on their site claiming Ambulocetus has no pelvis. They should probably take it down. Ambulocetus has a pelvis.

The material referred to is that published by Thewissen in 1994. It is now claimed, on Thewissen’s web site, that more material has been found. As far as I am aware, none of this extra material has been subjected to peer review. That is, it has not been published in a refereed scientific journal.

So far as Sarfati was aware, when?

Thewissen has published his extended Ambulocetus materials a long time ago.

Thewissen, J.G.M., S. I. Madar, and S. T. Hussain. 1996. Ambulocetus natans, an Eocene cetacean (Mammalia) from Pakistan. Courier Forschungs-Institut Senckenberg, 190:1-86.

Thewissen, J.G.M., and F. E. Fish. 1997. Locomotor evolution in the earliest cetaceans: functional model, modern analogues, and paleontological evidence. Paleobiology 23:482-490.

Madar, S.I., J. G. M. Thewissen, and S. T. Hussain. 2002. Additional holotype remains of Ambulocetus natans (Cetacea, Ambulocetidae), and their implications for locomotion in early whales. Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 22:405-422.

Peer-reviewed and published in refereed scientific journals. AiG's crap is still up and you're still spouting it.

AiG's claim that he hasn't yet is just more outdated material left up on their site to fool the deliberately credulous such as yourself.

Edward Babinski explains it perfectly:

What Sarfati is neglecting to tell people, is that in 2001, when he wrote the article: http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/0926ep2.asp he knew Ambulocetus' spine, leg and pelvis bones had been recovered five years before!

So, what does out of date information from way back in 1994 have to do with the information that was available to Sarfati in 2001, when he wrote this article addressing Evolution: Great Transformations a program which aired in 2001. Sarfati may very well have known about the recovery of Ambulocetus' pelvis, leg and backbones in 1996, but he rejected the information out of hand, and continued to refer to a journal from 1994, on purpose and that was to deceive visitors to their website. Answers in Genesis / Jonathan Sarfati would like to freeze the year 1994 in a bottle, and continue to reject the fossil recoveries made by Thewissen in 1996.

No excuses, Dave. You publish lies about science for professional liars like Sarfati. You are sabotaging science and science education.
479 posted on 07/12/2006 7:47:03 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro
No excuses, Dave. You publish lies about science for professional liars like Sarfati. You are sabotaging science and science education.
Tell me for curiosity's sake, although I already know the answer. Was there ANYTHING I could have said besides a sucking up to you and others that would have met your approval?
482 posted on 07/13/2006 3:56:14 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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Agree. I don't know what this nonsense "As far as I am aware, none of this extra material has been subjected to peer review" is about. It took me five seconds on Google to find the second article's reference. Perhaps AiG thinks that because something is not published in the United States it is worthless? Someone needs to explain to them that a lot of good science is being done internationally. Add to that the two follow-up articles (oooh, in English!) and it's clear they're blowing smoke once again.
483 posted on 07/13/2006 4:27:09 AM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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