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Britons see US as vulgar empire builder
Telegraph UK ^ | Ben Fenton

Posted on 07/03/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by Mazi83

Britons have never had such a low opinion of the leadership of the United States, a YouGov poll shows.

As Americans prepare to celebrate the 230th anniversary of their independence tomorrow, the poll found that only 12 per cent of Britons trust them to act wisely on the global stage. This is half the number who had faith in the Vietnam-scarred White House of 1975.

Most Britons see America as a cruel, vulgar, arrogant society, riven by class and racism, crime-ridden, obsessed with money and led by an incompetent hypocrite.

American troops are failing either to win "hearts and minds" in Iraq or bring democracy to that country.

More than two-thirds who offered an opinion said America is essentially an imperial power seeking world domination. And 81 per cent of those who took a view said President George W Bush hypocritically championed democracy as a cover for the pursuit of American self-interests.

A spokesman for the American embassy said that the poll's findings were contradicted by its own surveys.

"We question the judgment of anyone who asserts the world would be a better place with Saddam still terrorizing his own nation and threatening people well beyond Iraq's borders.

"With respect to the poll's assertions about American society, we bear some of the blame for not successfully communicating America's extraordinary dynamism.

"But frankly, so do you [the British press]."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; eurotwitsforkerry; geopolitics
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To: Mazi83

And most Americans think of England as a tiny tired island no longer a major power, full of soccer hooligans with bad teeth.


121 posted on 07/03/2006 1:51:58 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: spanalot

It goes way back. The English upper class has despised the United States since the Revolutionary War. Since "Oxbridge" remains upper class and dominates all English media, what we hear is the prejudices of the upper crust. Much the same thing has happend to our own elite schools. They think they have the right to rule in all matters.


122 posted on 07/03/2006 2:06:15 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Mazi83

So says the country were at soccer matches, they throw bananas at the black players.


123 posted on 07/03/2006 2:08:37 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Mazi83
Most Britons see America as a cruel, vulgar, arrogant society, riven by class and racism, crime-ridden, obsessed with money and led by an incompetent hypocrite.

And one they are completely envious of.

This kind of hatefilled spittle reminds me why it is so good to live in the greatest nation on earth.

We don't need to waste our time with obsessive ridicule of other nations. They just aren't that important.

124 posted on 07/03/2006 2:15:42 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: RobbyS

"Since "Oxbridge" remains upper class and dominates all English media,"

and oxford and cambridge have been communist sanctuaries going back to the 30's


125 posted on 07/03/2006 2:17:33 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Mazi83
I read this article and was sure that it was Howard dean taking the poll at the DNC headquarters.

This poll and it's writer seem to enjoy making things worse than they probably are.

Maybe the Brits are a little upset that Portugal kicked their butts in Soccer.

British fans are the worlds worst rubes.

Their uncivilized actions remind me of a bunch of Muslims on a holy trip to Mecca.

Put a little beer in their guts and they think they could have whipped Germany all by themselves.
126 posted on 07/03/2006 2:18:21 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Speak Softly and Carry A Big Stick)
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To: planetesimal

Thank you for the insight. I do get the impression that the Asian/Arabic population is more influential, outspoken, hostile or what have you, particularly in the case of the Islamic presence, compared to here. BTW, forgive the ignorance, but what's the BNP, a nationalist, xenophobic element?

Thanks again


127 posted on 07/03/2006 2:22:00 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: Mazi83
Most Britons see America as a cruel, vulgar, arrogant society, riven by class and racism, crime-ridden, obsessed with money and led by an incompetent hypocrite

As one who has studied Irish history extensively, I can only laugh out loud at the nerve of the British, to dare make such a statement about anyone else!

As my great-great-grandmother might have said, "Pog mo thoin!"

128 posted on 07/03/2006 2:30:05 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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To: spanalot
oxford and cambridge have been communist sanctuaries going back to the 30's

With the glorious exception of C S Lewis and his friends, may they rest in peace.

129 posted on 07/03/2006 2:34:22 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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To: Ostlandr
The US government is evil
Big business is evil
All politicians are evil crooks
All business executives are evil crooks
Violence is always wrong
Parents are stupid, especially the father
. . . in short, the only people you can actually trust and look up to are liberal scoolteachers and liberal journalists.

130 posted on 07/03/2006 2:46:12 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

"So says the country were at soccer matches, they throw bananas at the black players."

Have you just arrived here from 1983?


131 posted on 07/03/2006 2:46:50 PM PDT by Canard
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To: JewishRighter

"what's the BNP, a nationalist, xenophobic element?"

British National Party and, yes thats correct. Their leader is somewhat politically astute and has somewhat switched their anti-semitic roots to focus on the more vote-winning anti-asylum seeker/Muslim scaremongering (most of their campaigns feature demonstrably untrue 'facts' being propogated as truth).


132 posted on 07/03/2006 2:52:23 PM PDT by Canard
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To: spanalot
The Conservative Party under Thatcher wasn't conservative, it was more revolutionary. That's why it was termed Thatcherite. It was akin to strapping a speedboat engine to a dinghy; half a dozen leaders have tried and failed to mend the rudder since. W.r.t. the British press - only the Mirror and the Guardian have been consistently supportive of Labour. The Murdoch press only went Labour in the late '90s because Blair was clearly going to win, and it suits Murdoch to have backed the winner.
London will be mostly "minority" by 2010.
Do you have a cite for this demography? Anyway, what's wrong with "minorities"? Can millions of such people not be British citizens?
133 posted on 07/03/2006 2:53:09 PM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: JewishRighter
My impression is that there are outspoken and hostile Asians/Arabs but they have difficulty exerting influence on their own communities, never mind wielding any real power. Most are pretty much normal citizens. There is a work ethic which makes them generally successful rather than disaffected.

Yeah, the BNP are the political wing of the thugs that used to plague the England team abroad, singing "No surrender to the IRA" and trashing bars. Real patriots, that lot.

134 posted on 07/03/2006 3:01:45 PM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: Billthedrill
Since that majority of Britons has never been to the United States and its members know very few Americans personally, one might ask the British press where this remarkably bad impression came from. They know what they've been told - so who's telling it to them?

Hollywood has a major hand in this. You might think the same thing about America if your image of America was all that you see on television or at the movies.

135 posted on 07/03/2006 3:06:58 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Mazi83

The Brits never got over losing the American colonies. Sour grapes. The heck with 'em.


136 posted on 07/03/2006 3:07:37 PM PDT by hershey
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To: planetesimal

""London will be mostly "minority" by 2010.""

"Do you have a cite for this demography? Anyway, what's wrong with "minorities"?"

You dont keed a weatherman to know which way the wind blows- but if you insist:


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,363750,00.html

And whats wrong with the Brit minorities? Well the subject of this thread is US bashing and as the US is the only superpower trying to control Islamofascists, it is discouraging to see that the Brits are against us.

And as Brits are increasingly non-western, western bashing types, thus is the problem. And the other issue is that Brits have been subjected to decades of leftist propaganda that has virtually bankrupted that culture.


137 posted on 07/03/2006 3:09:51 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Mazi83

The leftist press in England fakes polls as well as our 5th column does.


138 posted on 07/03/2006 3:10:05 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: spanalot
Thanks. That can only be good news for the football and cricket teams. :)

Bonus points for citing the Observer while complaining about leftist propaganda.

139 posted on 07/03/2006 3:26:03 PM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: planetesimal
Reminds me of a nature scene I came across two weeks ago while travelling along a BLM road through the Great Salt Lake Desert. About ten feet off to the side of the road I saw the most magnificent golden eagle I have ever seen, tearing apart a jackrabbit with skill and grace. All the while a squawking magpie dived and swooped and trying to drive off the eagle. The eagle simply ignored the magpie until it had finished its meal. Then the eagle unfolded its enormous wings and rose powerfully skyward on the wind while the now-terrified magpie drew away and hid in juniper tree until the dangerous moment was past.

The British press are a gaggle of noisy magpies.

140 posted on 07/03/2006 3:27:33 PM PDT by JCEccles
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