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Even Carolinas pushing to snuff public smoking
Charlotte Observer ^ | July 9, 2006 | Greg Lacour

Posted on 07/09/2006 7:45:08 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina

Officials in the Carolinas, traditionally two of the nation's most smoker-friendly states, hope a new U.S. surgeon general's report on the dangers of secondhand smoke can boost their efforts to stub out smoking.

N.C. legislators are considering a bill that would allow community colleges to ban smoking on their campuses.

And activists plan to reintroduce a bill next year that would allow local governments in Mecklenburg County to ban smoking in all workplaces, even bars and restaurants.

S.C. officials are also planning to expand their survey of smoking practices around the state as part of a smoking education effort.

And on the heels of the surgeon general's report, N.C. State Health Director Leah Devlin called for a smoking ban in all workplaces.

Devlin's entreaty was the first of its kind by an N.C. state health official, and it could portend a change in the way business owners think about allowing smoking, said Kate Uslan of the Mecklenburg County Health Department.

"We're just thrilled to have another resource to go out and educate people with," said Uslan, the county's tobacco control coordinator. "We all will be using the fact that the surgeon general says there's no safe level of exposure from secondhand smoke."

The report, released June 27, corroborates what many health experts and anti-smoking activists have argued for years: that even minimal exposure to secondhand smoke can cause severe health problems, including heart disease and lung cancer.

In other words, if you're inside where people are smoking, you're at risk -- regardless of open windows or air filters.

The news carries more weight in the Carolinas than practically anywhere else in the United States. The Carolinas have traditionally lagged behind other states' efforts to ban smoking in workplaces, on school campuses and in government buildings.

It's not hard to understand why. The growth, processing and use of tobacco are ingrained in the states' cultures and economies.

North Carolina remains the top tobacco-producing state, with an annual farm income of nearly $600 million and 14 percent of the nation's tobacco farms. South Carolina ranks fourth, with an annual farm income of nearly $120 million.

The country's two largest tobacco companies, Philip Morris USA and R.J. Reynolds, part ways on the dangers of secondhand smoke.

Philip Morris "believes that the public should by guided by the conclusions of public health officials," and that governments should post warnings about secondhand smoke in places where smoking is allowed, the company says on its Web site.

Winston-Salem-based Reynolds, though, says on its site, "It seems unlikely that secondhand smoke presents any significant harm to otherwise healthy nonsmoking adults," and that "being in a room with a smoker is not the same as smoking a cigarette."

Smokers should have places where they can smoke as long as they're not bothering others, the company says.

Several states didn't wait for the surgeon general's confirmation. They've adopted laws prohibiting smoking in workplaces, restaurants and bars, which tended to be the only public places where people could still smoke indoors.The Carolinas, though, rank with Tennessee, Virginia, and Nevada -- a state that allowed smoking in day-care centers until recently -- as some of the least restrictive states, said Bronson Frick, associate director of Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights, a California-based advocacy group.

Laws in both Carolinas ban smoking in certain types of buildings, such as hospitals and libraries. But they don't ban smoking in all workplaces, and they prohibit local governments from passing smoking regulations that surpass the state laws.

That would change under a bill that Smoke-Free Mecklenburg, a Charlotte advocacy group, hopes to push starting in January. It would add the county to a list of exemptions from the state law prohibiting stricter smoking regulations.

The list includes primary and secondary schools, hospitals, elevators, prisons and large indoor arenas. If it passes, Mecklenburg commissioners and city and town boards in the county could declare workplaces smoke-free. A similar bill died in the legislature last year.

"We're not trying to say that everything everywhere needs to be smoke-free," said Patti Bossert, Smoke-Free Mecklenburg's vice chair. "But we want local control. That's the bottom line."

N.C. Rep. Martha Alexander, D-Mecklenburg, sponsored last year's bill and said she'd sponsor next year's as well.

"We are a tobacco state, and we have people in rural communities who have had tobacco in their lives for generations, so it's a sensitive issue for North Carolina," Alexander said. "But hopefully people will pay attention. We'll just have to wait and see."

She added that she sees no significant opposition to the bill allowing a ban on smoking on community college campuses.

Smokers can still light up in most Mecklenburg restaurants. Of the county's 2,044 restaurants, 737 -- 36 percent -- are smoke-free, and most of those are fast-food places, Uslan said. But that number is up from 25 percent a year ago.

One of the first restaurants in the county to ban smoking was Bubba's Barbecue on Sunset Road in Charlotte, which went smoke-free two years ago. So far, said owner Ralph "Bubba" Miller, business hasn't suffered.

"Even smokers do not want to sit in cigarette smoke when they're eating," Miller said. Before he banned smoking, he said, he installed two air scrubbers worth $2,000 each mounted in the ceiling, and even they didn't clear the air of smoke.

Some restaurants, though, plan to keep their smoking areas until they're ordered not to. The Penguin, a popular bar and restaurant in the Plaza-Midwood neighborhood of Charlotte, is keeping its smoking section for now.

It's not a business issue, said Brian Logsdon, the day-shift manager who quit a pack-a-day habit three months ago after a bout with bronchitis. He doesn't think the restaurant would lose business by banning smoking. But he'd rather make the decision himself than leave it to the City Council.

"It's up to the owners to decide whether they want to do it, and the patrons to decide whether they want to go to places that allow smoking," Logsdon said. "The way I see it, they should just either make smoking illegal or leave it alone."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
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Greetings from the heart of the [*cough * wheeze*] tobacky belt.
1 posted on 07/09/2006 7:45:10 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Am I the only one recalling the WHO report on the innocuousness on second hand smoke?

I missed the PC reports on the effect of reducing the concentrations of tobacco smoke and heard only the hyperbole.

The Linear No Threshold hypothesis fails to properly describe the damage from tobacco smoke just as it fails to properly describe the risks of radiation exposure. The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense


2 posted on 07/09/2006 7:50:49 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

I live in NC - when I go into a restaurant I'm used to saying "2 Non-smoking". When I'm in Texas and I say that (out of habit) they look at you funny because it's all non-smoking there. Which reinforces how different NC is from the rest of the country - even a decent red state like TX.


3 posted on 07/09/2006 7:53:06 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: southernnorthcarolina
"Mecklenburg County to ban smoking in all workplaces, even bars and restaurants."

I won't be going to any bars or restaurants in Charlotte when that happens, at least until I quit smoking myself haha. The liberals are pretty much in charge of NC, all of this comes as no surprise.

4 posted on 07/09/2006 7:56:30 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: Gabz; SheLion; Diana in Wisconsin

Ping


5 posted on 07/09/2006 7:59:40 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Am I the only one recalling the WHO report on the innocuousness on second hand smoke?

NO! Along with a host of other reports that never see the light of day.

6 posted on 07/09/2006 8:01:53 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
"Even smokers do not want to sit in cigarette smoke when they're eating," Miller said. Before he banned smoking, he said, he installed two air scrubbers worth $2,000 each mounted in the ceiling, and even they didn't clear the air of smoke.

Cigarette smoke is vile. It's like that car on Seinfeld that had an odor that wouldn't go away.

7 posted on 07/09/2006 8:03:52 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

As I drive some of the country roads, I am amazed at how few tobacco fields remain. Do these people just forfeit their allotments?


8 posted on 07/09/2006 8:05:16 AM PDT by TommyDale (Stop the Nifongery!)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
It's not a business issue, said Brian Logsdon, the day-shift manager who quit a pack-a-day habit three months ago after a bout with bronchitis.

According to the tobacco addicts around here, smoking cures disease. He should have started smoking two packs a day instead of quitting.

9 posted on 07/09/2006 8:05:51 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: All

This is not my preference, but rather my prediction: smoking in bars and restaurants will be banned coast-to-coast by 2010, if not before then. And the reason will be that since high-salaried office workers are "protected" from second-hand smoke, it will be deemed discriminatory not to similarly "protect" low-salaried dishwashers and waitresses.

The latest message from the Surgeon General -- whether you agree with it or not -- seals the outcome. This fight, though it will take a few more years to play out, is over.


10 posted on 07/09/2006 8:10:37 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights, a California-based advocacy group.

For those who can draw an inference. . .

11 posted on 07/09/2006 8:14:22 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Having a Kerry/Edwards bumpersticker on your car is like having "Born Loozer" tatooed on your arm.)
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To: Moonman62
Cigarette smoke is vile. It's like that car on Seinfeld that had an odor that wouldn't go away.

Why, certainly. Let's ban all particles floating in the air that some don't like. Let's ban farting. Let's ban industry, especially paper mills. Let's ban incense (you wouldn't believe the people that object to incense).

I'm sure some well endowed scientists can cobble together some "research" that proves all the above is inimical to life on Earth.

And, lets ban anything that may endanger one's life, like sky diving and anything that may remotely and theoretically lessen worker production.

Hell, let's just have a police state. That'll keep all these insane people who think they have personal liberty marching to the thought tunes of those who know what's good for the human race.

12 posted on 07/09/2006 8:19:34 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell

No thanks. Most people will settle for a ban on smoking.


13 posted on 07/09/2006 8:22:57 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62
No thanks. Most people will settle for a ban on smoking.

For now. What's next? Hopefully motorcycles.
14 posted on 07/09/2006 8:33:25 AM PDT by motzman (Go-Go Mets!)
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To: Moonman62

"Cigarette smoke is vile."

I agree.


15 posted on 07/09/2006 8:33:35 AM PDT by msjhall
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Do you really think that we could see a ban on smoking at casinos in Nevada, Atlantic City, NJ and Indian casinos? I think that could very well happen by the 2010 time frame you suggested.


16 posted on 07/09/2006 8:35:19 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Moonman62
Seems like a losing battle on these smoker threads, but I admire your trying to get the smokers to see the light of day. They can get very belligerent and nasty in their own defense. I know you mean well or you wouldn't be trying.

While I think people should be free to harm themselves in anyway they see fit, without injuring anyone else in the process, I don't condone it, along with my abhorrence of assisted suicide. IMHO, watching people smoke, cough and hack is like watching people trying to slowly kill themselves. And I feel sorry for them.

I was a smoker and quit. It was one of the hardest things I ever did. I really admire anyone who tries to quit smoking and succeeds.

17 posted on 07/09/2006 8:38:54 AM PDT by mark harmon (Just the facts, ma'am. Plain and simple.)
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To: Moonman62
Cigarette smoke is vile.

To some people.

To others, it ranges from pleasant to innocuous.

18 posted on 07/09/2006 8:57:56 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: southernnorthcarolina

"The latest message from the Surgeon General -- whether you agree with it or not -- seals the outcome. This fight, though it will take a few more years to play out, is over."

I agree. All business should be run for the Marxist common good, as determined by the state. After all, you only rent your private property via taxes.

Any politician or bureaucrat who finds that you're using your property in an offensive way, as determined by them, should be seized by the state and given to another to operate in a manner that promotes the state. And you should do so in good cheer for the collective.

We must remember that individual rights are subservient to the collective and you must be willing to give away those individual rights for the common good, whether it's the right to bear arms, freedom of speech or using your lawful property in a legal manner.

Seig heil, America, and long live the revolution.


19 posted on 07/09/2006 9:01:54 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: motzman
For now. What's next? Hopefully motorcycles.
20 posted on 07/09/2006 9:10:57 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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