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The Speck murders: 40 years later
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 09, 2006 | Scott Fornek

Posted on 07/09/2006 6:51:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: Intolerant in NJ

They should have been cell mates.


41 posted on 07/09/2006 8:44:37 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: pbear8

A judge named Paschen was on the case from the begining,he came here (Peoria) when the trial was moved here.


42 posted on 07/09/2006 8:55:24 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: okie01
My first thought was that Hardin had been shot in the head while he sat -- presumably drunk and passed out -- in the shade of a tree...in Tombstone.

But a little research revealed that Hardin was shot in El Paso. The Tombstone event involved another gunslinger.

Johnny Ringo.

43 posted on 07/09/2006 9:01:58 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess. NRA.)
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To: Graybeard58
They should have been cell mates...Speck ended his days as an overweight, cross-dressing homosexual - i suspect they would have gotten along fabulously together.....
44 posted on 07/09/2006 9:02:26 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: john drake
plunged society into a new era -- that of the mass murderer

Huh. And all this time I thought that title belonged to Jack the Ripper.

45 posted on 07/09/2006 9:04:23 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Graybeard58
I remember this. I believe the author is right. Richard Speck and Charles Whitman changed this country's outlook.

We were already somewhat numb when Bundy and Gacy arrived.

46 posted on 07/09/2006 9:20:14 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
A&E had an hour show on this dirt bag

Wasn't he the perv with the man-boobs and panties? I'm surprised there were no "Save Speck" concerts from kook Left bands ... Or ... were there?

47 posted on 07/09/2006 9:50:34 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: Graybeard58
I remember my mom waking me up in the morning with a shocked look on her face telling me about these murders.

There were some horrible murders in Chicago during the 50's and 60's. I can still remember the names of children who were murder--the Grimes sisters, the Schultz brothers and Mary Ann Anderson.

I had to walk two blocks to elementary school by myself and I remember being afraid. You never knew who was luring around.

48 posted on 07/09/2006 9:51:15 PM PDT by Atlantian
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To: razorback-bert

I'd love to know if that is true. I followed the case pretty closely and I have never heard that before.


49 posted on 07/09/2006 9:53:14 PM PDT by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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To: BruceysMom

I never saw a hint of meth in all the reporting.


50 posted on 07/09/2006 10:10:10 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Rush was a victim of profiling)
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To: Graybeard58

I always thought these women were killed while sleeping. Why the hell didn't they fight the guy? Weird.


51 posted on 07/09/2006 10:33:11 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: razorback-bert
Me neither and I pretty much lived ate and breathed the coverage. I was also upset about Waco yet I couldn't understand how he could do what he did. I read everything looking for signs of my own demons. Never head meth in the context of McVay.
52 posted on 07/09/2006 10:43:06 PM PDT by BruceysMom
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To: skr
There's a lot of history out there; I'm glad that I was able to supply you with one small bit of it, that you found interesting. :-)

There are several books about Holmes, the last one, "DEVIL IN THE WHITE CITY", by Erik Larson, is well worth reading. If you'd like a few other titles, just let me know.

53 posted on 07/09/2006 11:19:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: pollyannaish

And a few others, on both sides of the Atlantic; long before Speck was ever born. Newspaper hyperbole is nothing new and while Richard Speck was a monster, he didn't start anything.


54 posted on 07/09/2006 11:23:15 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: pollyannaish
And all this time I thought that title belonged to Jack the Ripper

Actually there is a significant difference between "mass murder" and "serial murder".

55 posted on 07/09/2006 11:31:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Graybeard58
Interestingly, it was less than a month later that the Texas Tower Sniper, Charles Whitman struck.
56 posted on 07/09/2006 11:34:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: PacesPaines

To the end of his days, Speck was proud of the murders and the notoriety they brought him. He never showed a scintilla of remorse.


57 posted on 07/09/2006 11:46:03 PM PDT by karnage
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for crime buffs, a pretty good site: crimelibrary.com
58 posted on 07/10/2006 1:01:10 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (I have five dollars for each of you)
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To: Richard Kimball

"Kenneth Allen McDuff also got his date with the executioner commuted. He was later released and killed several more people. Texas executed him the second time, and we haven't slowed down, since."

Don't Mess With Texas!


59 posted on 07/10/2006 4:39:12 AM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: nopardons
And surely we remember Danny Rollins!

I still can't believe I sent my daughter to University of Florida one year after that happened...

..but we thought we had snagged the safest dorm for her.

Found out, girls were still propping the outside door open at night!!(for guys)...in spite of what had happened.

She transferred to another Florida school the next year.....a very safe, very secure, very guarded Florida school.

60 posted on 07/10/2006 4:51:38 AM PDT by Guenevere
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