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Signing Off
National Review ^ | July 28, 2006 | Editorial

Posted on 07/28/2006 1:58:24 PM PDT by quidnunc

There are some real black marks on President Bush’s record on abiding by his oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. He signed a campaign-finance-regulation bill that he knew, at its core, exceeded the constitutional powers of the federal government. His approach to the constitutionality of governmental racial preferences has steadfastly avoided the temptations of principle. President Reagan regularly grounded the case for limited government in the Founders’ design; the notion seems alien to this president, who has therefore not even paid it lip service.

But the loudest complaints about Bush’s constitutional record are not ours. At the moment, those complaints center on the president’s allegedly unprecedented use of “signing statements” that announce his interpretation of laws as he signs them. Bush has supposedly altered the constitutional balance of power, illegitimately claimed a right to have the last word on matters of constitutional interpretation, and threatened the rule of law. The correct answer to this complaint is not that the ability to issue signing statements is a defensible and necessary presidential power. It is that it is hardly a power at all. The idea that Bush’s use of them has created a constitutional crisis is impossible to take seriously.

This week, a task force of the American Bar Association issued a report that takes it very seriously indeed: which is not surprising, considering that the task force was stacked with signing-statement hysterics. (The few Republican members of the task force were on record against signing statements at the time it was established.) Arlen Specter, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has introduced legislation to implement the task force’s recommendations. The bill orders the courts not to rely on signing statements in interpreting laws. It authorizes the courts to render verdicts on the legality of signing statements.

We have often disagreed with Senator Specter, but we have rarely found him loopy. That is what he is here.

Consider, first, the alternatives to presidential signing statements. Can presidents really be expected to veto every piece of legislation that contains unconstitutional elements? The ABA thinks so. But presidents throughout American history have thought otherwise. As Ed Whelan has pointed out on NRO, nearly “every appropriations bill contains a provision that violates Chadha [the Supreme Court’s decision on legislative vetoes]. The task force’s position would lead, at best, to an insane game of chicken between the President and Congress.” Should presidents, then, be expected to implement provisions they believe unconstitutional? No president has heretofore taken that position, which would make them obedient to a statute at the cost of being disobedient to the Constitution under which the statute was enacted.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aba; bush43; govwatch; president
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1 posted on 07/28/2006 1:58:25 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

The President Not this particularly but any President) can write anything he wants to. Its when he actually violates the law or the consitution that its a problem - and in that case it doesn't really matter that he wrote his reasons down.


2 posted on 07/28/2006 2:07:54 PM PDT by gondramB (Named must your fear be before banish it you can.)
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To: quidnunc

"________________________."

I cant disagree with you on this point.


3 posted on 07/28/2006 2:41:34 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

What is unconstitutional is what ever the Supreme Court says is unconstitutional.


4 posted on 07/28/2006 2:50:53 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
Tator opines:

What is unconstitutional is what ever the Supreme Court says is unconstitutional.

You misunderstand the Constitution. The supreme court issues opinions on cases of law & fact arising before it.

Enforcing the laws at issue are left to legislative & executive branches of State or Fed gov'ts; -- ~all~ officials of which are bound to support and defend the US Constitution as written, --- not as per the ~opinions~ of judges or other officials.

Thus the power of the 'law', and of all branches of gov't are continually checked & balanced by sworn individual officials & juries-; -- and if enough of these individual 'jurors', at any level of any branch, question the constitutional validity of specific 'laws', -- back they go to the USSC for further opinions.

That's how the system should work at least.. We all know that politically both sides are ignoring the constitution.

5 posted on 07/28/2006 3:38:57 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: quidnunc
Can presidents really be expected to veto every piece of legislation that contains unconstitutional elements?

I really don't think that's too much to ask.

6 posted on 07/28/2006 3:44:26 PM PDT by Phocion ("Protection" really means exploiting the consumer. - Milton Friedman)
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To: gondramB
Have you ever noticed how these articles never mention how many times Clinton used his authority on signing statements?

I see Bush's use of signing statements as necessary to the fulfillment of his agenda for what he was elected TWO TIMES to accomplish! Hopefully, future presidents will use this power to control keep the Democrats in Congress in check.
7 posted on 07/28/2006 3:46:17 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
Hopefully, future presidents will use this power to control keep the Democrats in Congress in check.

Remember that future Democratic presidents will also use this power to keep the Republicans in Congress "in check".

8 posted on 07/28/2006 3:55:56 PM PDT by Phocion ("Protection" really means exploiting the consumer. - Milton Friedman)
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To: Common Tator; quidnunc
While Quidnunc posted the article, he posted no comment, ergo, nothing to disagree with. While he did not state his view, I do not think that he agrees that the Supremes are the only and final arbiter of the constitution. If so, then I can also say that I still do not disagree with his unexpressed position.
9 posted on 07/28/2006 4:32:09 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission (He who does not speak out is assumed to consent...)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

Quidnunc rarely comments he/she has a long history of not having an opinion.

TT


10 posted on 07/28/2006 4:50:02 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant; quidnunc

Whatnow? posts, watches, and provides an obscure or teasing comment. But He/She agrees because....


11 posted on 07/28/2006 4:59:26 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission (He who does not speak out is assumed to consent...)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
While he did not state his view, I do not think that he agrees that the Supremes are the only and final arbiter of the constitution.

It all goes back to the Jefferson Administration and Madison Vs Marbury decided in 1803.

The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ruled that just because John Madison (the Madison in Madison Vs Marbury) wrote the Constitution didn't mean he knew what it meant.

Neither Madison (then Secretary of State) who wrote the constitution or Jefferson (then president) who wrote the declaration of independence disputed Chief Justice John Marshalls ruling that the SUPREME COURT WAS THE FINAL ABRITOR of what what the words in the Constitution mean.

If you had only been there to tell Madison, Jefferson, and Marshall they were all wrong, I'll bet things would have been a lot different.

12 posted on 07/28/2006 5:02:02 PM PDT by Common Tator
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On the following website you can read the signing statements from 1929 through 2006.
Presidential Signing Statements
www.presidency.ucsb.edu/signingstatements.php
13 posted on 07/28/2006 5:03:56 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
Can't read too much into it, if you think Quidnunc agrees or disagrees with anything that they have posted then you have bested me, I couldn't tell, I quit trying to figure it out after about 4 pages of posting history.

I bore easily

TT
14 posted on 07/28/2006 5:11:10 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Ping


15 posted on 07/28/2006 5:22:29 PM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: TexasTransplant
Quidnunc used to be more vocal back in the Clinton years.
There were thread wars and nasty comments and Quidnunc understandably went quiet. I am surprised that "Quidnunc" has not become "Ait Locutus" except that there are no longer any warlike Gauls around.

(Transplanted to or from Texas?)
16 posted on 07/28/2006 5:27:58 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: quidnunc

Is Specter setting the President up for impeachment if the RATS take control ?


17 posted on 07/28/2006 5:32:13 PM PDT by John Lenin (It was like going to church, except Ozzy Osbourne was there)
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To: Common Tator
"He who does not speak out is assumed to consent..."

Which is the reason that it is assumed that they agreed with the chief Justice.

"just because John Madison (the Madison in Madison Vs Marbury) wrote the Constitution didn't mean he knew what it meant"

Look at the logic here. Certain men write a document that forms the basis of a government. Later, other men come along and claim that they, on the basis of the power granted to them by that same document are better able to interpret the meaning and intention of the document than the men who actually wrote the document that granted them the very power under which they act.

Now, Marbury is the law of the land, unless Congress passes a law that says Judges are not the final arbiters and the president supports them, or/and decides to rise up and sack the entire supreme court a. But does the argument of the Chief Justice make sense that they knew better than the men who wrote the document? And am I the one who acted urogenital or was it the court?
18 posted on 07/28/2006 5:48:00 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission (Up and spoke! (Come and gone.))
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

To Texas from New Orleans


19 posted on 07/28/2006 5:48:07 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant

Sounds like a good move.


20 posted on 07/28/2006 6:09:40 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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