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The Taliban Terminator: Brit Sniper gets 39
The Sun (UK) ^ | 4th August 2006 | VIRGINIA WHEELER

Posted on 08/04/2006 12:15:58 PM PDT by Brit_Guy

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To: sean327

I never said, "flintlock", did I? Find a copy of Ned Roberts book, "The Muzzle-Loading Cap Lock Rifle", and enlighten yourself.
If you automatically connect "flintlock" with "muzzle loader", you have a lot to learn!


101 posted on 08/04/2006 2:43:26 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

As I said in my post, niether the Revolutionary War or Civil War era weapons were capable of such shots. Max effective range for a Civil War muzzle loader with conical bullets was maybe 200 yards. Could a good marksman stretch this range? Yes, but not anywhere near 900 yards.


102 posted on 08/04/2006 3:08:17 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: pankot
This .50 cal Barrett should put you over the top!

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.50 cals make the lighter rifles obsolete in terms of projectile caracteristics., unless you need a light weapon on your crawl.

You can see a tango head shot here, courtesy .50 cal Barrett:

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103 posted on 08/04/2006 3:10:02 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Dead Dog
I was thinking the same thing. The magazine is not as angular as the .303 British chambered Enfields, but the L96 is chambered in .308/7.62 NATO which would account for the change in appearance. I've never had one, but have heard that the Enfield actions is every bit as good as a Mauser or Springfield action. I guess shots at 900 yards are proof.
104 posted on 08/04/2006 3:15:29 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Deguello

TRAJECTORY TABLE, FEDERAL MATCH .308 CAL.168-Gr. BOATTAIL HOLLOWPOINT
Trajectory by Yards, Expressed in Inches
Zero Range 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000
100 Yards Zero -4.5 -15.9 -35.5 -64.6 -105 -159 -228 -315 -421

So at 900 yards, -315 inches = -31 ft.
Seems to confirm the physics calcs.


105 posted on 08/04/2006 3:15:30 PM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Try doing it yourself.

http://www.shooterready.com/


106 posted on 08/04/2006 3:38:14 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Deguello
Or may centimeters centimetres.
107 posted on 08/04/2006 3:52:04 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: NonLinear
**Last Call for me.

It is not in the best of interest to zero a rifle at 100yrd for long range shooting. The table gives various zeros for comparison. I zero at 200 for easy shooting from 100-300yrd. This gives me a range of +1.5" @100 to -6.7" @300. Note that the First Zero would be at about 60 yrd. (You would have to understand that a rifle has 2 zeros.) Ballistic Tables are tools. One detail left out was that the table was set for 2600 fps for that BC.

Ya'll have a good weekend.

108 posted on 08/04/2006 3:58:16 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: sean327; SWAMPSNIPER

You better stop digging yourself into a hole. Swampsniper is correct. The Ned Robert's book is really enlightening and you should see if you can find it.

Some shooters preferred the muzzle loader for accuracy. This way the bullet had already contacted the rifling.

Also, do a google search on "They couldn't hit an elephant at this range....... Famous last words.


109 posted on 08/04/2006 4:03:24 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Brit_Guy

Must be one of Savage's soccer thugs.


110 posted on 08/04/2006 4:12:20 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21

Para ping!

Semper Fi


111 posted on 08/04/2006 4:29:06 PM PDT by dd5339 (A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path.)
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To: shawnlaw

"147 grain BTMJ (boat tail full metal jacket) -56.1 foot drop at 500 yards. Source: Guns and Ammo online.

150 grain 2900 fps muz vel -37 ffoot drop at 500 yards"


It doesn't make sense that the heavier load drops less- also, if it drops 56 ft good luck with open sights - but I was never good at physics


112 posted on 08/04/2006 4:34:08 PM PDT by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: sean327
You incorrect.

The Whitworth rifle was indeed capable of lethal hits at 800 yards without all that much difficulty.

During the Civil War Union General Sedgewick was killed by a single shot fired from that rifle at a range of 1200 yards.

His last words were: " "Why, my man," he chuckled, "I am ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance."

Seconds later the good General was dead from a single wound to the head.

L

113 posted on 08/04/2006 4:53:24 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is NOT a religion. It's a political ideology masquerading as a one.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

I was gonna let him dig a little deeper, LOL


114 posted on 08/04/2006 5:01:23 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Thanks! Exceptionally cool!


115 posted on 08/04/2006 5:05:29 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You're never more than a half-step away from a good note.)
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To: Brit_Guy
... “wonder shot” in which he aimed 56ft to the left and 35ft high to allow for wind.

???...no big deal, I did the same thing when I was 12 with a half inch ball bearing and a slingshot.....nearly took my toe off

Doogle

116 posted on 08/04/2006 5:06:24 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: midnightson

The ballistic drop is functionally independent of weight, relates to velocity primarily.


117 posted on 08/04/2006 5:31:20 PM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: VRing

Any of you guys ever see the 1971 movie "Valdez in Coming" starring Burt Lancaster? One of my favorites.


118 posted on 08/04/2006 5:34:23 PM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundun)
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To: Jackknife
bang.

You're dead.

119 posted on 08/04/2006 5:37:59 PM PDT by The Drowning Witch (Non omnes qui habemt citharam sunt citharoedi)
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To: NonLinear

It's my understanding that the equivalent weight when dropped vertically will hit the ground at the same time as the projectile that is fired parallel to it, regardless of velocity- perhaps a pre-Einstein theory?


120 posted on 08/04/2006 5:53:34 PM PDT by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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