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Scottish Answer to Crime: Knife Control
npr.org ^ | August 14, 2006 | Michele Norris

Posted on 08/15/2006 3:07:08 PM PDT by grundle

All Things Considered, August 14, 2006 · In an effort to reduce the stabbings and slashings that stem from the country's "booze and blade" culture, Scotland is cracking down on the sale of swords, machetes, meat cleavers and other knifes. Knife violence accounts for almost half of the homicides in Scotland each year.


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1 posted on 08/15/2006 3:07:09 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Sure ye laugh now, but what will yoe do when they come for the forks and pitchforks.

Bloody looneys, if there remains any vestige of the European male in Europe outside of Serbia it is past time for them to assert themselves.

All I see is a bunch of panty waists sissies that never got out from behind Big Momma governments skirts and whopped the neighborhood bully one.


2 posted on 08/15/2006 3:10:59 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (Borders. Language. Culture. AAA-0. Free Travis Mcgee.)
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To: grundle

No more carrying a dirk in the sock?


3 posted on 08/15/2006 3:12:13 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: grundle

Dirk control?


4 posted on 08/15/2006 3:12:37 PM PDT by Martins kid
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To: grundle
Knife violence accounts for almost half of the homicides in Scotland each year.

And the other half?

5 posted on 08/15/2006 3:12:39 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: sionnsar

bagpipes


7 posted on 08/15/2006 3:15:10 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: grundle
This is a knife. Just try to take it away from this Liverpudian.


8 posted on 08/15/2006 3:15:27 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: sionnsar

Spoons, or rather, SPOONS!


9 posted on 08/15/2006 3:16:47 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: R. Scott
No more carrying a dirk in the sock?

A dirk's a rather large thing to carry in a sock! You're thinking of the sgian dubh (lit: "black knife"), the stocking knife.

10 posted on 08/15/2006 3:19:55 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Spoons, or rather, SPOONS!

Next they'll ban sporks -- and spork weasels!

11 posted on 08/15/2006 3:20:59 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: sionnsar

Knee high socks - with garters.


12 posted on 08/15/2006 3:21:13 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: grundle

lol... no more trees because of pointy sticks... what will environmentalists think?


13 posted on 08/15/2006 3:23:45 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: grundle

I seriously wish lightsabers were real...I'd buy ten in a heartbeat.

Speaking of "knife control"...I wonder what knife control would mean for sword collectors.


14 posted on 08/15/2006 3:25:25 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: grundle
I wish I could find the article on the net to document this but:

In the Boston area, a school child took a water pistol to school and squirted another kid. the victim went to his licker and returned with a 45 pistol and blew away the water pistol packing kid.

The schools districts response to this tragedy: THEY BANNED WATER PISTOLS AT SCHOOL.
15 posted on 08/15/2006 3:25:38 PM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: grundle

You can see the headline coming:

Rock and Small Boulder Violence Rising


16 posted on 08/15/2006 3:26:43 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: R. Scott
Knee high socks - with garters.

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting I'm very aware of Highland dress, modern and ancient. But a dirk is still a very large knife -- way too large and heavy for wearing in the hose. That is where the little sgian dubh is worn.

I have two sgians dubh; and was tempted to buy a dirk with frog at the Games a couple of weeks ago.

17 posted on 08/15/2006 3:26:50 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: grundle
"Booze And Blade"

That's my favorite bar!

18 posted on 08/15/2006 3:36:12 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Lokibob

I'm suprised they didn't ban licker, too!


19 posted on 08/15/2006 3:38:18 PM PDT by The SunDrop Kid
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To: sionnsar

A dirk's a rather large thing to carry in a sock! You're thinking of the sgian dubh (lit: "black knife"), the stocking knife.

Well, ya can keep your wee sgian dubh, and I'll keep my Bagwell Bowie in my socks, and the .45 under mah kilt.


20 posted on 08/15/2006 3:39:25 PM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: siunevada

Speaking of rocks, there has always been the question of what a Scotsman wears under his kilt. Well we know now they aren't big and made of brass.

I guess now I can write off that part of my ancestry as poor genitic material. I always thought that the peat used in making Scotch was toxic, that question is still unanswered but it sure causes genetic mutation.


21 posted on 08/15/2006 3:39:35 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist
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To: grundle

I thought the handguns were to blame, and everything would be peaceful when they were banned!


22 posted on 08/15/2006 3:40:28 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Dumpster Baby

Did you see that comedian they had last weekend? He got a little drunk, but he's a real cutup.


23 posted on 08/15/2006 3:40:39 PM PDT by magslinger (If at first you don't succeed, squeeze, squeeze again.)
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To: grundle
Long way from Braveheart.
24 posted on 08/15/2006 3:40:57 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: The SunDrop Kid

Thats the problem with spellchecker. If you make a mistake and it forms a word, spellchecker will let it pass. However, my tag line says it all.


25 posted on 08/15/2006 3:41:51 PM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: R. Scott
No more carrying a dirk in the sock?

I think you mean a sgian dubh. The dirk is huge and worn hanging from the waist.

I sell these items in my store and there is much more demand nowadays for the safe sgian dubh - i.e. one without a blade.

Sign of the times.

FRegards,

26 posted on 08/15/2006 3:45:01 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: grundle
In an effort to reduce the stabbings and slashings that stem from the country's "booze and blade" culture

It's not the "booze and blade" culture! It's the haggis!

Main Entry: hag·gis
Pronunciation: 'ha-g&s
Function: noun
: a traditionally Scottish dish that consists of the heart, liver, and lungs of a sheep or a calf minced with suet, onions, oatmeal, and seasonings and boiled in the stomach of the animal

27 posted on 08/15/2006 3:46:30 PM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: Martins kid

Dirkuh!!! Dirkuh!!! Dirkuh!!!


28 posted on 08/15/2006 3:49:00 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Admn Mods: tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners.They have pins and dolls..)
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To: The SunDrop Kid
Whe I lived in CO, we used to go to old mining towns. One bar had a sign:

"Liquor in the Front, Poker in the Rear"

29 posted on 08/15/2006 3:51:21 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: grundle
Knife violence accounts for almost half of the homicides in Scotland each year.

This from a country where a majority of the populace bemoans America's 'gun culture'.

30 posted on 08/15/2006 4:07:41 PM PDT by jla
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To: grundle
I imagine future thesauruses designating Scotland as a synonym for "suffocation."

My late grandfather MacDonald would agree.

31 posted on 08/15/2006 4:14:59 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge
My late grandfather MacDonald would agree.

Is he the guy who invented the Big Mac? ;-)

32 posted on 08/15/2006 4:22:55 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: sionnsar

We need to have a "Clan Freeper" meeting at the Games next year. I assume you meant you were at the Grnadfather MT Highland games I bet tons of freepers are there.


33 posted on 08/15/2006 4:25:19 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: grundle
In memoriam Scotland that was
34 posted on 08/15/2006 4:28:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to help)
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To: bigdcaldavis

They are dude...didn't you see this video?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1672946/posts


35 posted on 08/15/2006 4:29:08 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: grundle
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Right!!! Well then... henceforth, all things sharp will be banned, and all things pointy shall also be banned, and anything that is sharp AND pointy is right out!!!

Also, things that are blunt are banned, and things that are heavy are banned, and things that are blunt AND heavy are RIGHT OUT AS WELL!!!

Well, lets see... that about cover it then???

36 posted on 08/15/2006 4:32:29 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: grundle

I think Scotland is pretty tight on their guns; anyone has to have a permit, but how many and when they issue the permits, I do not know.

It just figures. Ban/restrict the guns, and the criminals -- bent on crime no matter what the weapon -- will change their methods. Politicians will blame the objects and restrict them.

What, will they now ban steaks, since you can't use knives to cut them? Teeth, because they cause harm?


37 posted on 08/15/2006 4:32:39 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: Hawk1976
Sure ye laugh now, but what will yoe do when they come for the forks and pitchforks.

That was funny as Hell.

38 posted on 08/15/2006 4:34:59 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: Chode
Image hosted by Photobucket.com p.s. my blade of choice... Puma TAC-1

39 posted on 08/15/2006 4:35:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: TEXASPROUD
.45 under mah kilt.

This is my rifle, this is my gun... ;)

40 posted on 08/15/2006 4:39:09 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Churchillspirit
safe sgian dubh - i.e. one without a blade.

Ugh. I mean, how can one do proper bagpipe maintenance without a sharp sgian dubh?

41 posted on 08/15/2006 4:48:11 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: Sentis; sauropod; sean_og; weps4ret; Candor7; NoCurrentFreeperByThatName; LiteKeeper; ...
We need to have a "Clan Freeper" meeting at the Games next year. I assume you meant you were at the Grnadfather MT Highland games I bet tons of freepers are there.

We weren't -- we're on the opposite side of the country and were at the Pacific Northwest Highland Games (fka "The Seattle Games"). But I like the the idea of Clan FReeper gatherings!!

Our slogan in Scots Gaelic: Poblachd Saorsa! (A Free Republic!)


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This is an ultra-low-volume ping list (typically weeks to months between pings).
FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this list.

42 posted on 08/15/2006 5:02:42 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: sionnsar

I was thinking Clan MacFreeper might be better Sons of Liberty and all


43 posted on 08/15/2006 5:29:34 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: sionnsar

Now I'm wondering exactly what Drill Sgt. McCracken meant when he'd flip on the lights at 0 dark thirty and yell "Awright, put it in yer sock, on yer feet, let's go!"


44 posted on 08/15/2006 5:51:14 PM PDT by skepsel (Gun Nuts 'R' Us)
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To: sionnsar

include me with the rest of my fellow Scottish-Americans. [Hey, if others can be hyphenated, why can't we?]


45 posted on 08/15/2006 9:27:08 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: grundle
Gloria: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns?

Archie: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?

My favorite "All In The Family" quote.
46 posted on 08/15/2006 9:35:46 PM PDT by decal (Different Tagline Tomorrow!)
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To: sionnsar
Hoo is one to coot oopen a haggis wi'oot knives, I ask ye.
47 posted on 08/15/2006 9:37:39 PM PDT by decal (Different Tagline Tomorrow!)
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To: grundle
First of all, it is safe to travel in Scotland anywhere. You just have to be careful where you go in the city at night, as you would in any city. The local people in certain areas like to use knifes in fighting and in muggings.

Well, the carrying of knives with the intent to commit a crime is illegal in Scotland. The law is set up so that if a person has on their person a knife of similar object, they are arrested and charged. It is the equivalent of a felony offense.

The onus to prove the knife was not intended for use in criminal activity is on the accused at trial. In other words the accused must prove a lack of criminal purpose in possessing the knife on his person.

Also the knife law has an exemption for those who wear Scottish national dress, i.e. a kilt. If you wear a kilt you can wear all the knives and swords you want.

I did last summer, wore my kilt and 14 inch dirk and a sgian dubgh everyday. I had no problems with any violence or attempted assaults.

This is a pic of my dirk, Overall-21". Blade-14 7/8" long, 1 7/16" wide. Wt.-1 lb. :

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BTW it is becoming very difficult to purchase long knives in Scotland. This is accomplished by making the retailers of cutlery jump through hoops to stay in business.If you want to take gifts to Scotland, good knives are as good a gift as any.

Here is an article that puts a face on the problem:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3750568.stm ( Oct 17 2004)

Stabbings 'a public health issue'

Thousands of stabbings take place every year Knife crime in the west of Scotland should be treated as a public health issue like heart disease or cancer, according to a leading doctor. Last year there were more than 9,000 violent incidents in the Strathclyde area.

Andrew Murday, director of the Scottish Heart Transplant Unit, said the issue has to be reviewed. Mr Murday said knife crime was a public health priority which the health board should look at.

He told BBC Radio's Sunday Live programme: "If people realised that your chances of being murdered in Glasgow were twice as high as they are in London then people would hopefully begin to talk about it.

"We hope that the Greater Glasgow NHS, the health board, might consider taking up the issue of violence as a specific targeted area for public health efforts."

Sword attacks

He added: "You're talking about thousands of people affected each year, just in Glasgow alone."

Mr Murday is calling for a multi-agency approach involving police, religious groups, community groups and a full debate on knife carrying and its effects. Last year Strathclyde Police found nearly 3,000 blades being carried illegally in a public place.

Rudy Crawford, an A&E consultant at Glasgow Royal Infirmary, said: "People carry all sorts of weapons, some of them quite horrific, ranging from small pocket knives that they think can't inflict a fatal injury, which is entirely wrong, up to machetes, bayonets, swords.

"Swords are actually fairly popular and I think we in the west of Scotland, and in Glasgow in particular, probably see more sword injuries than anywhere else in the UK or even Europe for that matter."

48 posted on 08/15/2006 9:43:21 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: decal; All
Hoo is one to coot oopen a haggis wi'oot knives, I ask ye.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Och, Aye, the Sassanachs have cum oop with thas, fur which wee bladies are no longer required:

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Thoose who cut not their ain meat are too quick to cut their fellow man.

And a man can hoop,daylight will peep through a small hole.

It is better to sup with a cutty than want a spoon.

49 posted on 08/15/2006 10:04:27 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Candor7
But...but...is not a can oopenerr a knife as well?

At any rate, in my normal voice, I DO like the canned haggis available here:

http://www.caledoniankitchen.com/catalog/

Ooh, they have lamb haggis now; I'll have to try that...
50 posted on 08/15/2006 10:10:28 PM PDT by decal (Different Tagline Tomorrow!)
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