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Why should America commit resources to help reform a dysfunctional Middle East?
Jewish World Review ^ | 8-31-06 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/31/2006 5:43:06 AM PDT by SJackson


Messy democracy still the best course

The Palestinian prime minister, Hamas' Ismail Haniyeh, is shocked. He claims that without his government's knowledge, the until-now unknown terrorist group Holy Jihad Brigades kidnapped two Western journalists (who have since been released) in Gaza.

Have Haniyeh and Hamas forgotten their own terrorist habits? When they were out of power, Hamas "militants" kidnapped and bombed without permission from the Palestinian Authority. That irony of wanting it both ways recalls the ancient historian Thucydides' warning not "to annul those common laws of humanity to which all trust for their own hope of deliverance should they ever be overtaken by calamity; forgetting that in their own hour of need they will look for them in vain."

The same freelance terrorism goes on in Lebanon despite the grumbles of the country's "government." Who, if anyone, is responsible for disarming Hezbollah terrorists? And what faction in Lebanon can officially make peace — or even war — with the Israelis?

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: federalspending; foreignaid; middleeast; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 08/31/2006 5:43:07 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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2 posted on 08/31/2006 5:47:29 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: SJackson
"What the U.S. is trying to do in the Middle East is costly, easily made fun of and unappreciated."

I heard a news person repeat Nancy Pelosi's remark that 'why hasn't the us defeated terrorism yet when it took 4 years to defeat Nazism?'

How excessively gullible can a person be?

The second war had been going on a long time before the US joined the fight. AND most importantly, in THAT fight ... we had firm ALLIES. Can she be more demonstrably stupid?
3 posted on 08/31/2006 6:13:46 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: SJackson

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4 posted on 08/31/2006 6:26:34 AM PDT by uptoolate (The U.N. will be the tool of the Anti-Christ)
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To: SMARTY

During WWII, essentially ALL of America's resources and manpower were dedicated to the war effort. We have been fighting this war for the past five years with almost no inconvenience to ordinary life -- there is no draft, there is no reallocation of resources. What Pelosi and the others fail to understand is that this war never would have needed to be fought if we had addressed terrorism previously. If Jimmy Carter had stood by the Shah of Iran in 1978-79 and not allowed the jihadists to take over there, most of what we have now would have been avoided. BJ Klintoon ignored terrorism for eight years because it interfered with his "legacy"/sex life.

But if Pelosi would like, we could end this war today if we do to the Islamofascist world exactly what we did to the Japanese. Perhaps someone should clarify that for her.


5 posted on 08/31/2006 6:27:11 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
All of that refers directly to the demonstrated facts and a verifiable historical record. Of course, 'history' is a dirty word for Liberals.
6 posted on 08/31/2006 6:30:35 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: SMARTY

...............it took 4 years to defeat Nazism..........

And they wore uniforms, didn't hide behind womens skirts, and weren't training their children to become suicide bombers!


7 posted on 08/31/2006 6:31:21 AM PDT by aShepard (Maybe the UN should donate UNICEF proceeds to the Gates Foundation, and fold!)
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To: SMARTY
"Can she (Pelosi) be more demonstrably stupid?"

I am certain she will test us with more stupidity...just be patient.

8 posted on 08/31/2006 6:33:09 AM PDT by oust the louse
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To: aShepard

Nancy's understanding of things ( if you can call it understanding ) seems to be something she arrived at without even a cursory regard for the political, historical or material realities of the situation.


9 posted on 08/31/2006 6:36:53 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: SMARTY

I think the thing that a lot of us don't really comprehend (unless we were old enough during WWII to be aware of what was going on) is the utterly massive war effort that was underway starting in the late 1930s. If you talk to your parents, grandparents, etc. it's staggering to realize that EVERYONE was working toward victory, nothing else was being manufactured. But the biggest thing back then was that there was ZERO politicizing of the war. There were GOP isolationists who were trying to avoid war, but they didn't obstruct the "lend-lease" program with Britain, and their isolationist rhetoric stopped completely on December 7, 1941.

If Pelosi wants to compare the war on Islamic terror to WWII, that's fine, it's an accurate comparison in terms of its importance to our future freedom and well-being. But she should also be willing to stop politicizing this war, if she and her ilk had said these things during WWII, they would have been arrested for treason.


10 posted on 08/31/2006 7:05:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Tolik; Egon

Good article!


11 posted on 08/31/2006 7:55:02 AM PDT by RhoTheta (Twas brillig, and the toves were not just slithy, they were stinking drunk.)
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To: SMARTY

Also, it went on long after the war was officially over.
Nazi guerrillas kept fighting for an additional three or four years.


12 posted on 08/31/2006 8:02:57 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: wagglebee

Nancy girl has Really big eyes and a Really small mind.


13 posted on 08/31/2006 8:05:34 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Nancy girl has Really big eyes and a Really small mind.

Don't forget she's also UGLY!

14 posted on 08/31/2006 9:05:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: SJackson
In truth, fostering democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq was not our first, but last choice. It was not a good option, only a bad one when the other alternatives had proven far worse. What the U.S. is trying to do in the Middle East is costly, easily made fun of and unappreciated.

That's been my position for some time now - the crux of the matter is convincing the skeptical that our current delicate watering of the seeds of democracy is, in fact, a less bad policy than simply letting the whole area go. Given an expansionist and aggressive Iran that is soon to be a nuclear power, that isn't as difficult as it used to be. Now the challenge is to prove that it's a less bad policy than a pre-emptive war with Iran. That turns out to be less easy to show than it used to be.

15 posted on 08/31/2006 9:22:49 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SJackson; Alouette

I agree with your headline.

My verbal barrage peeled some paint off the walls once I found out that the U.S. is committing hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild southern Lebanon.

Why are we stuck with the bill?


16 posted on 08/31/2006 10:05:38 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: wagglebee

we could end this war today if we do to the Islamofascist world exactly what we did to the Japanese.



Could... should and would have happened back in September of '01 if we had not decided to call Islam a religion of peace and handcuff our troops with KGC warfighting rules.


17 posted on 08/31/2006 10:10:26 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: TomasUSMC

Well it's never too late to admit you made a mistake and take the necessary actions to correct it!


18 posted on 08/31/2006 10:17:13 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: sauropod
My verbal barrage peeled some paint off the walls once I found out that the U.S. is committing hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild southern Lebanon....Why are we stuck with the bill?

For the same reason we're providing the palestinians with $240 million. Supposedly it promotes peace. Besides, the roads have to be rebuilt if Hizbollah is to be resupplied

19 posted on 08/31/2006 11:36:58 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: SJackson; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...
            "Messy Democracy Still the Best Course"



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20 posted on 09/01/2006 5:28:14 AM PDT by Tolik
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