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Pupil Rolls Drop At Schools (SoCal...guess why?)
The Whittier Daily News ^ | September 5, 2006 | Pam Wright, Staff Writer

Posted on 09/05/2006 7:07:49 AM PDT by truthkeeper

Pupil Rolls Drop At Schools
Officials fault rise in housing prices

WHITTIER - The surge in Southland housing prices has been cited as an important factor in an exodus of families from the Whittier area, causing a steep decline in K-12 enrollment in almost all local school districts.

The loss of students translates into big money, with the South Whittier School District losing more than a half million dollars in revenue during 2005-06 school year 2005-06 because of a 12 percent enrollment drop.

District officials project a loss of at least $1 million for 2006-07, said David Morton, the district's chief business officer.

"Declining enrollment has drastic effects," Morton said. "Average daily attendance makes a huge difference. In addressing it, you can't bring costs down as fast as you're losing revenue."

Whittier City Unified School District lost about 400 students in the past year, prompting Superintendent Carmella Franco to start tracking where families were moving to.

She found that nearly a quarter of those had moved out of state - even out of the country - the top three destinations being Arizona, Texas and Mexico.

"I was very interested to find out where they were going," Franco said. "So I asked my staff to build a record from transcript requests. Nearly 50 percent of California districts are experiencing declining enrollment. Meanwhile, the Inland Empire is growing like crazy. "They're getting the funds that we should be getting," she added.

(Excerpt) Read more at whittierdailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: housingcosts; immigration; overcrowding; realestate; schools

1 posted on 09/05/2006 7:07:52 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper
"They're getting the funds that we should be getting," she added.

Interesting focus. It's all about the money, to these so-called 'educators.' Where is the, "We're obviously not providing what the people want, so they're voting with their feet," focus?

And, in another surprising newsflash, their wildly proclaimed 'friendliness' to homosexuals has resulted in a drop in population in the SF Bay area. Who'da thunk it?
2 posted on 09/05/2006 7:13:49 AM PDT by Gorjus
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To: truthkeeper
'"They're getting the funds that we should be getting," she added.'

You don't get the funds if you don't have the students.

Must be another whinnnnning lib.

3 posted on 09/05/2006 7:13:51 AM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: truthkeeper

The same thing is happening in South Florida after decades of portable classrooms and school overcrowding. Now there is negative growth.


4 posted on 09/05/2006 7:14:14 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: mathluv
I was going to post the same whining lib comment but you beat me to it.

Tagline bump! for emphasis

5 posted on 09/05/2006 7:18:33 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing (and moving to Texas!))
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To: Gorjus
Amazing, isn't it?

Enrollment has DROPPED and she's complaining about another school district getting THEIR money.
6 posted on 09/05/2006 7:21:19 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: truthkeeper
Hope New Jersey is taking note of this ... .

We have more people LEAVING than coming to the state, LEGALLY.
7 posted on 09/05/2006 7:22:02 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: truthkeeper
They're getting the funds that we should be getting," she added.

In other words; We want something for nothing

8 posted on 09/05/2006 7:26:16 AM PDT by The Brush
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To: truthkeeper

Some are running screaming to homeschooling. Of course. The teachers' unions are accomplishing what the auto unions in Detroit did -- make things so utopian that the whole darned industry craters.

In this case, it will be a good cure.


9 posted on 09/05/2006 7:41:48 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: truthkeeper

If they could just find a way to tax the citizens of Mexico...


10 posted on 09/05/2006 7:44:48 AM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: D-Chivas
If they could just find a way to tax the citizens of Mexico...

They have. It's called California Sales Tax.

11 posted on 09/05/2006 7:47:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: truthkeeper
Meanwhile, the Inland Empire is growing like crazy."

Inland empire???

12 posted on 09/05/2006 7:49:15 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: truthkeeper
"They're getting the funds that we should be getting," she added.

Maybe they should have "ghost" students like when New Orleans had "ghost" deputies on their police force.

13 posted on 09/05/2006 7:52:38 AM PDT by chemicalman (Doing my part to maintain global warming.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

San Bernardino/Riverside counties..eastward. (Used to considered "the sticks.") Has undergone temendous housing, business, and population growth in the last 15 years, and is really going nuts now.


14 posted on 09/05/2006 7:53:05 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper
Parents moving from CA to TX need to brace themselves, especially if they have kids in HS: their children will be far behind their peers, thanks to the poor education environment in CA.

My evidence is empirical, but the consensus among the teachers that I've spoken with, HS kids transferring from CA are normally two years behind their peers taught in TX schools.

Don't know what it is for other states--any and all input is appreciated.

It's sad: I received my education in CA public schools when they were excellent. Every student in my 6th grade class was reading at 11th grade level or higher. One novel we read in class was Dumas' The Count of Monte Cristo.

15 posted on 09/05/2006 7:59:00 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: nmh
Enrollment has DROPPED and she's complaining about another school district getting THEIR money.

What they really want is just to get the money, without having all those annoying students around that they have to pretend to educate :-).

16 posted on 09/05/2006 7:59:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: truthkeeper

They have no supply of "undocumented" students?


17 posted on 09/05/2006 8:05:21 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Inland empire???

Riverside, San Bernardino, Colton and Redlands. Southern CA

18 posted on 09/05/2006 8:05:25 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: dearolddad

Perhaps I'm too sensitive, but with all the talk of "La Raza" and the "Reconquista agenda", as demographics shift in California, the term "Inland Empire" seems to have frightening connotations.


19 posted on 09/05/2006 8:19:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: truthkeeper
Maybe parents do not want their children in kindergarten being taught that homosexuality is normal.
20 posted on 09/05/2006 8:27:11 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: xarmydog
Not so much of that going on in Whittier. (Still an old Quaker town.) I probably should have mentioned that the districts in the article, South and Whittier City, appear to be about 90% Hispanic (and probably mostly illegal in the South). We're in East Whittier, which is about 50-60% Hispanic (within the schools, I mean).

At least they haven't stuck my grandson in some bilingual class...yet...

21 posted on 09/05/2006 8:35:50 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: K4Harty

Welcome to TX!


22 posted on 09/05/2006 8:37:17 AM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: truthkeeper

And just what do they do with these funds? Certainly not educate the children.


23 posted on 09/05/2006 8:38:11 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: mathluv
Thank you. The deprogramming starts on Monday...

:o)

24 posted on 09/05/2006 8:41:39 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing (and moving to Texas!))
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To: ClearCase_guy
I grabbed the wrong quote!

...the term "Inland Empire" seems to have frightening connotations.

Inland Empire has been used for a very long time.

26 posted on 09/05/2006 8:44:31 AM PDT by TankerKC (Step Back! Doors Closing.)
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To: truthkeeper

Whittier has a huge Hispanic population, largely illegal. So, all those rental properties are turning into newly gentrified neighborhoods. Sounds like a positive thing to me.


27 posted on 09/05/2006 8:47:09 AM PDT by Eva
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Uhhhh, did that go with this thread?


28 posted on 09/05/2006 8:49:20 AM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: TankerKC

Ah. Which thread did the quote come from? Looks like it might be interesting...


29 posted on 09/05/2006 8:50:28 AM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: Gorjus

I would bet you dollars to donuts these drops are really coming as a result of closer scrutiny of the student rolls by the state IG. 12% in a year is hugh!


30 posted on 09/05/2006 8:50:51 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: truthkeeper

Californians poison the political environment wherever they go. All across the West are areas where people are sick and tired of Californians taking over everything and re-making all of the CFs that caused them to leave California in the first place.


31 posted on 09/05/2006 8:52:13 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock
Yeah. That's why when I leave I'm getting a tee shirt that says

"Redneck in training - please be patient"

32 posted on 09/05/2006 8:54:38 AM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: Moonman62

The same thing is happening in parts of our district in San Jose also. The older part near downtown has declining enrollment, but the southern more suburban area has increasing enrollment. The district has declining enrollment overall.

The district decided to close several schools last year. You would think they would close them in the northern part of the district. But they didn't. They closed my kids' school in the southern part of the district.

It wouldn't have been good for the poor northern schools to have been closed, even if they have horrible test scores. Closing those schools would have impacted the neighborhood too much.

So they closed a school with great test scores in an an area with increasing enrollment.

We're in private this year, and we love it. It is full of sensible people running it.


33 posted on 09/05/2006 8:59:40 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Night Hides Not
Every student in my 6th grade class was reading at 11th grade level or higher.

They would still be very comfortable there now, the 11th grade is reading at a 6th grade level.

34 posted on 09/05/2006 9:24:41 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: null and void
Which thread did the quote come from? Looks like it might be interesting...

If it still existed...the mods got him quickly.

35 posted on 09/05/2006 9:52:28 AM PDT by TankerKC (Step Back! Doors Closing.)
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To: Eva
I hear you, but it's not happening just yet. So many of those rentals in the once-beautiful Uptown were the crummy garage conversions, big boxes, etc. The city finally cracked down a number of years ago, but we're still stuck with them.

Anyway, I guess I'm not going anywhere soon.

36 posted on 09/05/2006 10:00:53 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Perhaps I'm too sensitive, but with all the talk of "La Raza" and the "Reconquista agenda", as demographics shift in California, the term "Inland Empire" seems to have frightening connotations.

That,s one of the reasons Mrs. dearolddad decided to leave Southern CA about 10 years ago.

37 posted on 09/05/2006 10:04:34 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: truthkeeper

"the top three destinations being Arizona, Texas and Mexico."

What that translates into is mostly illegals, since those going to Texas or Arizona are likely illegal as well.


38 posted on 09/05/2006 10:18:32 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: TankerKC

Dang.


39 posted on 09/05/2006 11:39:51 AM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: Tax-chick

Yeah - put up their feet and put a "Don not disturb" sign on the door. This attitude almost goes hand in hand when tenure is achieved.


40 posted on 09/05/2006 1:42:09 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: truthkeeper

We lived in Whittier, about thrirty years ago. It was a terrible school district then, I can't imagine that it has gotten any better. Closing some of the schools might be an improvement. There used to be a first grade teacher that had more tenure than anyone in the district and had built up so much sick leave that she would take off the entire second marking period and go on a cruise. The school district could get rid of her, so they transferred her to a different school every two years.


41 posted on 09/05/2006 3:16:42 PM PDT by Eva
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To: nmh
Here's a bit from the "Education Intelligence Agency" report today, about California:

The legislature passed a law in 1996 lowering K-3 class sizes to a maximum of 20. While the article goes further than most by suggesting "the jury's still out" on across-the-board class size reduction, it seems 10 years of data should be sufficient to judge whether the tens of billions of dollars Californians have dropped into the well are making our wishes come true.

In 1998, before 4th-graders had the benefit of smaller classes, California's 4th-graders ranked ahead of only those in Hawaii and Louisiana in reading (NAEP test). The benchmark for math is 1996, where California's 4th-graders finished ahead of those in Mississippi and tied with those in Louisiana.

In 2005, California's 4th-graders beat out Mississippi in reading. Hawaii and Louisiana passed us. The brightest picture is 4th-grade math. California finished ahead of Alabama, Mississippi and New Mexico, and tied with Louisiana and Nevada.

What's worse is that we have had class size reduction for so long, we can now compare the NAEP scores of 8th-graders under the old class sizes with 8th-graders who experienced four years of 20-student classes. They are virtually indistinguishable.

Other studies have shown that class size is negatively correlated with outcomes, although that's probably a "marker" result indicating that class-size reductions are a substitute for real teaching.

42 posted on 09/05/2006 3:39:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: truthkeeper
Meanwhile, the Inland Empire is growing like crazy. "

Don't I just know it!

43 posted on 09/05/2006 3:42:05 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (VENGEANCE FOR OUR FALLEN WARRIORS......NOW!!)
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To: Eva

Yeah, I hear you. I've had fair luck with my kids' and grandson's schools thus far, but they're really nothing to get excited about. East Whittier is the best of the bunch...I think the city has about 5 different school districts. (Huge.)


44 posted on 09/05/2006 5:43:13 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper

This should be easy to solve, Superintendent Franco. If there are hundreds fewer students, you simply fire dozens of teachers who are no longer needed. That can be done overnight...unless you are afraid of the NEA and their goon lawyers.


45 posted on 09/05/2006 5:47:43 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Tax-chick
Class size has nothing to do with it.

It's all about WHAT is being taught and people capable of teaching. In the Pacific Rim, classes are routinely LARGE and they routinely put us to shame.

In that culture education is cultural. Parents PUSH their kids. Parents DEMAND high standards. Here we don't. We focus on everything that is UNIMPORTANT and happily throw money at the "problem" while blissfully and purposely IGNORING the ROOT problems.
46 posted on 09/05/2006 7:07:03 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh
It's all about WHAT is being taught and people capable of teaching.

Precisely ... and students interested in learning, if only because their parents will kill them if they don't!

47 posted on 09/05/2006 7:09:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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