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Liberals, Islamists Unite against Pope
frontpagemag ^ | September 18, 2006 | Andrew Walden

Posted on 09/17/2006 5:36:34 AM PDT by dennisw

In what has suddenly been made into a highly controversial speech, the day after September 11, at Bavaria’s University of Regensberg, Pope Benedict describes Christian belief in a God whose words and acts are bound by reason, truth and the law of non-contradiction. Benedict contrasts this with Islamic belief in a God not bound by anything—including his own words. Benedict further contrasts Christian belief with that of secular humanists who see reason as being completely unbound of God.

In response, both Islamists and secularists have demanded the Pope apologize. He must not. Benedict’s speech is a work of enlightened genius. He has clearly laid out the differences between Christian culture and Islamic culture and the basis of the clash of civilizations we now experience as the War on Terror. His analysis also explains the underlying cause of the alliance between the western left and the Islamofascist right. It should be studied carefully by all who seek to defend western civilization.

Islamist reaction focuses on one sentence in the speech. Reaching back to 1391, Benedict quotes Byzantine Emperor Manuel II: “Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Four days later, according to AP: “Pakistan's legislature unanimously condemned Pope Benedict XVI. Lebanon's top Shiite cleric demanded an apology. And in Turkey, the ruling party likened the pontiff to Hitler and Mussolini and accused him of reviving the mentality of the Crusades.

“Across the Islamic world Friday, Benedict's remarks on Islam and jihad in a speech in Germany unleashed a torrent of rage that many fear could burst into violent protests like those that followed publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.”

Reuters quoted other sources expressing fears for the Pope’s safety and even fear of an attack on Vatican City.

The Islamist reaction proves Manuel II’s 600-year-old point. The reaction is not one of anger but a calculated attempt to force the Pope into submission to Islam. Since Islam need not be internally consistent and it is not bound by reason, it’s only objective can be to assert the power of a God who is so transcendent that He is not bound by anything. If man is created in God’s image then by extension Islamic man is not bound by anything. (This explains the predilection on the part of some Muslims to lie.) Islamists are not responding to any ‘offense’ to their non-existent morality. They are asserting the only ‘morality’ they have—the will to power.

“Will to Power” is a key element of Nietzsche ’s philosophy—hence the root of the term, Islamofascist. Moreover the Western “left’ is today guided far more by Nietzsche existentialist thought than by Marxist thought—hence the alliance between the Western “left” and the Islamofascist ‘right’.

Reuters quotes an Indian Muslim leader doing precisely what Manuel II said they would: “Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the chief cleric of New Delhi's historic Jama Masjid, India's largest mosque, extolled Muslims to ‘respond in a manner which forces the Pope to apologize.’” Note they intend to use “force” not reason.

Reuters quotes an unnamed diplomat pointing out the Pope was, “calling a spade a spade”.

The secularist mouthpiece, New York Times,editorializes, “Pope Benedict XVI has insulted Muslims….” This is false. The Pope’s description of the Islamic God as being unbound by reason is not an insult, it is an Islamic article of faith. What Muslims and secularists fear is the Pope’s decision to choose to enter dialogue asserting his belief in Christianity. How dare he not “apologize” for being a Christian? That is the so-called “insult.”

One might “reasonably” ask when will Muslims “apologize” for being Muslim? But they are not bound by reason to the point is lost on them.

Amazingly the Times continues: “Muslim leaders the world over have demanded apologies… For many Muslims, holy war — jihad — is a spiritual struggle, and not a call to violence.” In saying this, the Times implicitly recognizes the Islamists are waging a propaganda jihad against the Pope and by extension against Christianity—and they explicitly endorse and join this jihad. The Times is saying to Islamists, ‘we can join your ‘spiritual’ jihad, but not your violent jihad.

The Times editors are living in a fool’s paradise. The “spiritual” non-violent jihad of propaganda is merely the flip side of the violent jihad. Nowhere is that more clear than in the Islamist reaction to the Pope.

With the Pope scheduled to visit Turkey in November the Islamists are rejecting any apology from Vatican spokespersons and demand to hear from the Pope himself. This would place raging mobs of semi-literate Islamist thugs in the position of forcing the leader of Christendom to bow before them.

In this demand for submission they are joined by the secularist mouthpiece. In its September 16 edition the Times editorializes: “He needs to offer a deep and persuasive apology…” The secularists too seek the Pope’s submission. Like the Islamists, the secularists are driven only by their will to power. While the Islamists represent their demented version of God--unrestrained by reason, the secularists represent their demented version of reason--unrestrained by God. They are united by their self-worshipping world view.

It should be noted that the carefully staged “anger’ from the Islamic world does not condemn Benedict’s characterization of Islam as a religion where God’s “will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality…. (The Islamic) God is not bound even by his own word….” This is not seen as an insult. Islam embraces this description. In offering this description of Islam, Benedict refers to the views of leading modern French Islamist R. Arnaldez as discussed in the writings of Professor Theodore Khoury of Munster.

Likewise the secularists express no dismay at the pope’s characterization of a secularist as: “(A) subject (who) then decides, on the basis of his experiences, what he considers tenable in matters of religion, and the subjective ‘conscience’ becomes the sole arbiter of what is ethical.”

Benedict asserts that without reason, or without God, there can be no modern system of morality. He explains, “In this way…ethics and religion lose their power to create a community and become (instead) a completely personal matter.”

Both Islamist and secularist seek to break God and reason apart. Each claims superiority over the Christian West. They believe absolute moral license makes them powerful. As globalization carries the Western tradition of reason throughout the world, both are in decline.

Where the force of reason is defeated, Islamist and secularist will meet in combat, just as Hitler’s fascists broke their pact with the Soviet Union, invading in June, 1941 after the collapse of the allied forces on the western front.

What the Islamists and the New York Times both fear is having to reply to the Pope’s key point, borrowed from the Byzantine Emperor: “‘Not to act reasonably, not to act with logos (word or reason) is contrary to the nature of God,’.… It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures.”

Their fear of reason can only lead t


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1 posted on 09/17/2006 5:36:35 AM PDT by dennisw
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Personally, I'm getting to like this Pope more and more. He is cracking down on the tolerance towards pedophiles that the last Pope seemed to turn a blind eye to and isn't playing the politcally correct game with the Muslims. Too bad the press is made up of such idiots. Instead of chastising the Pope, they should be applauding him for saying what most of us already know.


2 posted on 09/17/2006 5:39:58 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: onevoter

I'm Jewish and I sure appreciate what the Pope is doing. He's waking up a lot of people and the over-the-top reactions of the Muslims is helping


3 posted on 09/17/2006 5:45:00 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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The Pope’s description of the Islamic God as being unbound by reason is not an insult, it is an Islamic article of faith. What Muslims and secularists fear is the Pope’s decision to choose to enter dialogue asserting his belief in Christianity. How dare he not “apologize” for being a Christian? That is the so-called “insult.”

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4 posted on 09/17/2006 5:46:13 AM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: dennisw
I'm Protestant (former Catholic) and was very, VERY pleasantly surprised to see he grew a pair!

Unfortunately, he seems to have lost them rather quickly...

5 posted on 09/17/2006 5:47:50 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: dennisw

Liberals and Islamist are the natural enemies of Christians and Jews , so where's the news in this thread ???


6 posted on 09/17/2006 5:48:49 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: dennisw
(The Islamic) God is not bound even by his own word….”

Isn't that a slippery way of saying the islamic allah is a "liar."

And who is the "Father of Lies?"

7 posted on 09/17/2006 5:51:38 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: dennisw; onevoter
What the Islamists and the New York Times both fear is having to reply to the Pope’s key point, borrowed from the Byzantine Emperor:  “‘Not to act reasonably, not to act with logos (word or reason) is contrary to the nature of God,’.…  It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures.”

Their fear of reason can only lead the world to disaster.

Excellent analysis! Bookmarked!

8 posted on 09/17/2006 5:53:50 AM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: MarineDad
As a Roman Catholic woman, I find your phraseology to be unbecoming. Thanks for weighing in with your remarks, they are soooooooo helpful.
9 posted on 09/17/2006 5:53:52 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: dennisw; sauropod
This would place raging mobs of semi-literate Islamist thugs in the position of forcing the leader of Christendom to bow before them.

OMG, he's nailed it.

This is so GOOD, thank you.

10 posted on 09/17/2006 5:54:26 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Dark Skies

According to CNN.com (unless I'm reading it wrong), the Pope has finally apologized to Islam for his remarks saying he didn'r even believe the old writings he quoted! Tll me I read it wrong!!


11 posted on 09/17/2006 5:54:35 AM PDT by MrLee
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To: dennisw
"While the Islamists represent their demented version of God--unrestrained by reason, the secularists represent their demented version of reason--unrestrained by God."

I have seldom seen a more succinct description of the common denominator between these two appparently contradictory philosophies.

12 posted on 09/17/2006 5:55:19 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: dennisw
To use a 'Western' analogy, the Vatican bowing to Islamic demands to issue a statement of apology is akin to dancing while the nearby ground is being shot at. To now try and force an apology from the Pope himself is the same, except while using instead an AK-47. This is all happening in a climate where around the world, EVERY DAY, some 20 to 40 (on the average) non-muslims are murdered by muslims. [See Religion of Peace.com]
13 posted on 09/17/2006 5:56:05 AM PDT by C210N (Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: MarineDad
Unfortunately, he seems to have lost them rather quickly...

How so?

14 posted on 09/17/2006 5:56:20 AM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: dennisw

Nice explanation of the intricacies in the Pope's statements that so many morons refuse, or can't, grasp.


15 posted on 09/17/2006 5:57:25 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: MrLee

I read it on Fox...I hope it is wrong also.


16 posted on 09/17/2006 5:57:35 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: onevoter

This current episode of overreaction by the "Muslim world" to Pope Benedict's comments is par for the course. The "Muslim world" is out of sync with modernity. Their culture is clearly substandard compared to Western civilization's societies and culture.


17 posted on 09/17/2006 6:01:13 AM PDT by aligncare (Proud 40 year nonmember of the ACLU)
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To: dennisw

Well, as of this morning, the Pope's apologized...sort of. His spokesperson groveled, so maybe that will mollify the ROP. Probably not, though. The Pope mentioned Mohammed by name, although reading a 16th century Pope's message and putting in a larger context. (Something about dialogue being a good thing. When the other fellow is sharpening a knife he intends to use to behead you would seem to make further dialogue pointless. Our time would be better spent whipping out a gun and shooting him dead as in that famous scene in Indiana Jones. Talking heads on TV this am admitting we should've done something about Iran some time ago. Oh, well, the MSM will tell us it's youknowwho's fault. We won't hear one word about dems screaming for dialogue and UN sanctions, delay, delay while Iran processed uranium.)


18 posted on 09/17/2006 6:01:35 AM PDT by hershey
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To: onevoter

"Too bad the press is made up of such idiots."

Secularists and Islam is unbound by reason i.e. logic, just says it all doesn't it. You go Pope.


19 posted on 09/17/2006 6:01:44 AM PDT by KyHammer (Where's Zarquawi ? ......Blowed up sir!)
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To: Dark Skies

Perhaps he said something to the effect of "I'm sorry if the truth offends you..."


20 posted on 09/17/2006 6:02:16 AM PDT by Huber ("Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of classes - our ancestors." - G K Chesterton)
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