Posted on 09/22/2006 12:38:08 PM PDT by John Jorsett
More money for less work. I believe that has been the union way for some time. Just ask all the steel workers, oh yeah, I forgot, there aren't any.
"Paycheck protection legislation has a clear negative effect on public sector union contributions to candidates for state legislative offices"
I wonder what effect it has on private sector union contributions.
Nailed It!
Any union that does business with state, local or federal governments, police or fire, teachers, etc. should be prohibited by law from engaging in political activities, donations, or endorsements. And that's my opinion.
As a former union member myself I can tell you what my biggest problems with unions are.
First would be union involvement in politics. Unions need to mind their own business and stop taking money from members to support politicians the members may not support.
Second is scale based pay. I think people should be paid based on merit. There's nothing more irritating that struggling with a project because the guy watching you struggle "doesn't get paid for THAT job".
Anyone remember the California Grocery Store strike? Union leaders, who make $300,000+ a year, had these people almost destitute (while the leadership didn't miss a single paycheck), and ended up with a contract that was worse than the one originally proposed by Management.
Yeah, I want these guys on my side.
I believe it is perfectly reasonable for unions to endorse individual candidates based on their positions and voting record.
What union memebers want? Well, I want the security to know I won't get fired for turnin in a legitamate safety violation. I want the security I won't lose my job because the bosses dumbass brother-in-law needs a job and can't get one because he's a dumbass. I want the security to say no to mowing the bosses lawn, building him a deck or watching his pets when he's on vacation with the idea I won't lose my job. Those are the ones that get promoted to supervision and that's fine with me. I know I'm in the minority here and I will get flamed but there are two sides to every coin. But I know YOU won't see it.
Yeah, but all the steel workers that are left, all zero of them? They're making $45 an hour.
So, y'know, there's that.
Parity isn't enough. There should be a small percentage PENALTY for sucking the public teat. Private sector workers are evidently worth what they're making because their employers stay in business, and they can be fired if not.
No such regulating action exists for gubmint "workers", plus there needs to be a correction for the fact they're living off the labors of the productive sector of society, therefore they should work at a slight discount, say 7-10%.
You won't get flamed from me because I recognize the legitimate values in unions. I have issues with unions but only legitimate ones.
Is that like a Democrat who is not a racist?
I work in the private sector, and when I worked for someone else, I have to tell you, not one of them ever asked me to do anything like that. I realize it does happen, but if you apply probabilities to the outcome, you're probably worse off with the union bosses than the regular kind.
That is one of the strangest posts I've read all week.
I wanted all those things too, so I went to college.
There's merit to some of your argument, but unions take it way beyond that. They don't want dumbass union members fired for being dumbasses. They want pay based on scale, not merit. They want inflexible work rules so that, for example, a drywaller doesn't sweep up his own dust, he has to wait for a janitor. They want to be assured jobs regardless of need.
To each their own. Where I work is nothing like I see posted here. If you see someone in a different craft struggling with something, you are supposed to help that person. That is the Christian way, the company way and the union way. It is a team effort. As a job steward I get slammed for being too company. But I try to look out for the vulnerable worker and the companies best interest both.
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