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To: demnomo

Hi Demnomo

Maybe "Saved". I find that many "Saved" people aren't sure why they need a Savior. They simply bought into the Jesus thing because it sounded good. I asked my teen Sunday School class "Are you are good person who occaisonally does bad things or a bad person who occaisonally does good things?". They all agreed they were good. If you are good, why do you need a Savior?

If you want a better idea of what I am saying, download this mp3 and give a listen

http://www.wavtechnologies.com/media/mp3/Sermon_20060910.mp3

Another good example is Ray Comfort's famous "Hells Best Kept Secret" and "True and False Conversions" available here

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Pastor%5ERay%5EComfort

You are 100% right. We aren't trained to be critical thinkers and that is why we don't truly understand our need for Salvation.


35 posted on 09/27/2006 7:39:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

Thanks for the links.

You're so right about many folks not understanding the need for a Savior...or the meaning of being truly Saved.

I have a friend who attended a Billy Graham Crusade and thought she was saved for years afterwards...even though she never attended church or opened her Bible, let alone understood why Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. Fortunately for her, she met someone who set her straight. I know this may tick off some Billy Graham FReeper fans, but my friend has very little respect for Billy Graham Ministries for some reason or reasons.


49 posted on 09/27/2006 2:38:50 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: AppyPappy
Another good example is Ray Comfort's famous "Hells Best Kept Secret" and "True and False Conversions"

These are 2 of the best evangelism messages out there. Ray goes straight to the Word of God & sugarcoats nothing. No seeker sensitive "felt needs". Our need is for a Savior. Ray (& Kirk as well) have the ability to present the true gospel message without trying to change it into something else. And I think Ray has the best gospel tracts I've ever seen.

I saw some of this "Jesus Camp" on the news. There was so much yelling & emotionalism that I found it more than a little disturbing.

55 posted on 09/27/2006 5:15:18 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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