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Bitter chunk of America is a Mogadishu tourist site
The New York Times ^ | September 28, 2006 | Jeffrey Gettleman

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:54:53 PM PDT by skippermd

MOGADISHU, Somalia, Sept. 23 — They call her the “Black Hawk Down” lady.

And in the corner of her dirt yard, beneath rags drying in the sun and next to a bowl of filthy wash water, she keeps a chunk of history that most Americans would probably like to forget.

It is the battered nose of a Black Hawk helicopter, from one of the two that got shot down in Mogadishu on Oct. 3, 1993, in an infamous battle that killed 18 Americans, led to a major foreign policy shift and spawned a big movie.

The Black Hawk Down lady stands fiercely at her gate and charges admission to see it.

“You, you, you,” she said on a recent day, jabbing her finger at three visitors. “Pay, pay, pay.”

American military officials, who were sent e-mail messages with pictures, said the nose piece did appear to be from one of the Black Hawks brought down that day. But they said they had no interest in retrieving it, for a memorial or any other purpose.

So it remains a strange tourist attraction in a strange and war-weary place, where bazooka guns hang in the market next to slabs of fly-bitten goat meat, and children at school casually recite passages about massacres in English class. And just as the Black Hawk Down episode has special significance for Americans, it does, too, for many Somalis, who take enormous pride in having humiliated a superpower that day.

The Black Hawk Down lady’s real name is Hawa Elmi. She grew up a nomad, herding camels in Somalia’s deserts, and never went to school. She moved to Mogadishu in the 1960’s, when it was a showcase of Italian architecture, a gem along the sea. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at travel2.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blackhawk; mogadishu; mohammedfarahaidid; somalia
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1 posted on 09/27/2006 9:54:54 PM PDT by skippermd
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It should be on display at the Clinton Library...along with some twisted metal from the USS Cole.


2 posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:05 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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cargo cult n : (Melanesia) one of several millenarian cults that believe salvation will come in the form of wealth (`cargo') brought by Westerners; some ascribe divine attributes to Westerners on first contact (especially to missionaries) WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
3 posted on 09/27/2006 9:58:21 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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Thank you Mr. Clinton for allowing these people to feel victorious over a superpower.


4 posted on 09/27/2006 10:05:26 PM PDT by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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Some people say they fear the Islamists will impose a draconian version of Islam in Somalia, which up until recently had been relatively secular.

But Ms. Elmi said she loved the Islamists. And she has her own reasons.

“They bring peace,” she said. “And peace brings tourists.”

Not this one. Set foot in an Islamic republic and you risk losing your head.

5 posted on 09/27/2006 10:10:31 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Teddy drank, people sank.)
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It should be on display at the Clinton Library...along with some twisted metal from the USS Cole.

Along with pieces from the WTC, a couple of embassies, Kobar Towers, ETC.

6 posted on 09/27/2006 10:11:02 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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Article: And just as the Black Hawk Down episode has special significance for Americans, it does, too, for many Somalis, who take enormous pride in having humiliated a superpower that day.

These are obviously the Somalis who managed to take food out of the mouths of the ones who starved to death, thanks to the US withdrawal from the area. Funny how the New York Times doesn't explore this possibility in its "analysis".

Article: She moved to Mogadishu in the 1960’s, when it was a showcase of Italian architecture, a gem along the sea.

This is probably one of the obligatory NYT passages on man's inhumanity to buildings. But here's the question - if Italians can preserve thousands of years worth of Roman architecture, how is it that Somalis can't even preserve architecture that is merely several decades old? Again, the NYT fails to analyze, choosing instead to use canned politically-correct platitudes.
7 posted on 09/27/2006 10:13:47 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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But Ms. Elmi said she loved the Islamists. And she has her own reasons.

“They bring peace,” she said. “And peace brings tourists.”

Have fun with that burkha Ms. Elmi.
8 posted on 09/27/2006 10:14:35 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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She grew up a nomad, herding camels in Somalia’s deserts, and never went to school.

And in the corner of her dirt yard, beneath rags drying in the sun and next to a bowl of filthy wash water...

That tells you just about everything you need to know about these Neanderthals.

10 posted on 09/27/2006 10:35:32 PM PDT by vox humana
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" -- she keeps a chunk of history that most Americans would probably like to forget".


We must never forget!!!


11 posted on 09/27/2006 11:00:01 PM PDT by malia (The Impeached x42 clinton ... a Paper Tiger President)
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[It is the battered nose of a Black Hawk helicopter, from one of the two that got shot down in Mogadishu on Oct. 3, 1993]

Sigh. The new york times is such a pathetic newspaper. I mean, they learn their history from a damn movie!!!

Note to the NYT: If you had done the proper research, instead of just watching the movie, you'd know that 5 or 6 helicopters were shot down on 3 October, 1993, over Mogadishu, Somalia. NOT the 2 that you people stated.

The nyt never misses an opportunity to humiliate themselves.


12 posted on 09/27/2006 11:12:47 PM PDT by MyDogAllah
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I want it back. Now.


13 posted on 09/27/2006 11:31:40 PM PDT by Andy28 (What we see, mainly depends on what we look for.)
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Yay! We killed two guys when they ran out of ammo, and it only cost us a couple thousand (people) to do it.

We won!


14 posted on 09/27/2006 11:34:43 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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Yeah. If she was any kind of normal person, there's have been a few broken down cars there too! :o{)


15 posted on 09/27/2006 11:36:30 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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Bazooka gun? Last time I came across this term Redd Fox was using it in his "toughest Japanese soldier" routine.

Down the road from this hag's house, people worshipping gods made of sticks and mud were killing worshipper's of Mohammed's moon god. Somewhere in the distance a donkey farted. Back in town at the most expensive hotel, guests were lining up at the desk for pages from the New York Times before heading to the outhouse.


16 posted on 09/28/2006 12:44:48 AM PDT by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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LOL...Redd Foxx ping. Recently picked up Sanford and Son on DVD...5th season. The funniest dirtiest old man that every lived!


17 posted on 09/28/2006 1:19:49 AM PDT by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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"And just as the Black Hawk Down episode has special significance for Americans, it does, too, for many Somalis, who take enormous pride in having humiliated a superpower that day."

Uh... true, we lost 18 of our finest young men. On the other hand, they lost something in the general ballpark of 1800 of their militia ignoramuses, their dumb thugs, their homicidal maniacs, and their garden variety AK-toting imbeciles, or thereabouts. So, WHO was it again that was humiliated?


18 posted on 09/28/2006 2:28:18 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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"So, WHO was it again that was humiliated?"

They're just gloating because they get to eat maggoty goat meat and we don't.


19 posted on 09/28/2006 3:58:26 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: Zhang Fei

don't you know? Civilization is the default. It just happens, without any input from the citizenry...


20 posted on 09/28/2006 4:16:06 AM PDT by Freedom4US (u)
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