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Children handcuffed in police drug raid (and SOP of shooting the family dog)
Albany Times Union ^

Posted on 09/28/2006 5:26:29 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

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To: Hildy
Thanks for making it soooo easy.

L

81 posted on 09/28/2006 6:45:04 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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To: metmom
Question here. Not being personally familar with knock-the-door-down police drug raids, is it typical or even heard of, for police officers to carry and use shotguns?

A guy I used to shoot with was the entry man on a tactical team, and he carried an H&K MP5 submachine gun. Others on the team carried shotguns and CAR-15s. I'm not sure about the CAR-15s (they could have been semi-auto only), but I know for a fact that the MP5 was capable of both 3 shot burst and full auto.

They regularly "served warrants" in the "no-knock" style.

Mark

82 posted on 09/28/2006 6:45:07 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: citizenK
"Pitbull terriers are typically very mellow dogs with respect to people."

That's a very bad start. They are not. By nature, that's biological mind you, they are intractably vicious attackers, that mount their attacks with very little, or no provocation.

"That being said, it is SOP for the cops to kill the dog not because of the threat or potential thereof to the police. The reason they kill the dog is to get maximum shock affect on the family whose home they are invading. "

I don't believe that's generally true whatsoever.

"No knock raids are an abomination to our Constitutional freedoms."

That's besides the point. It's true though.

83 posted on 09/28/2006 6:46:02 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Sir Gawain

Busted in the door, killed the dog, traumatized the kids, for something equal to a parking ticket...


84 posted on 09/28/2006 6:46:53 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Hildy; Lurker
Then we'd miss out on all those neat "dog kills and eats owner and neighbor's child" stories.

Whatever would AMI do for stories?

85 posted on 09/28/2006 6:48:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hildy

Ah, how very statist of you.


86 posted on 09/28/2006 6:49:53 PM PDT by Xenophon450 ("Study the past, if you would divine the future." - Confucius)
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To: Hildy; Lurker

Hildy, Pit Bulls are no more aggressive than their owners allow them to be. It is the same with any dog of any breed. The trouble is that pit bulls are breed to be physically imposing creatures, and when they are trained to be aggressive they do so with all of that physical ability behind them. You can train a chijuajua to be equally aggressive, yet they will be much less dangerous for obvious reasons.

Lurker, try to be nice won't you. I mean we are all adults here aren't we? If you're not, I appologize, continue being childish.


87 posted on 09/28/2006 6:50:12 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: spunkets
It's a friggin' pit and they are ALWAYS MEAN and NASTY to strangers upsetting the household. It's that simple. If you want to believe in fairy tale stories of gentle pits that pee and run when they're confronted by strangers upseting the household, go right ahead, but I'll just have to LMAO at htose stories.

The reason you don't believe in that sort of "fairy tale" is because you don't hear about those dogs in the news. For instance, you'd think that you're taking your life in your hands every time you get into a car, since all you hear about on the news are traffic accidents.

I know of 2 pit bulls (real ones, American Staffordshire Terriers) who are wonderful pets (well one still is, the other was killed by a car. In both cases, they're well trained, and have terrific dispositions. Maybe part of it is that they were purchased through reputable breeders. The surviving dog would probably show a burgler around the house, pointing out the valuables, all for a scratch behind the ears. BTW, that house has the one dog and three cats. The dog plays with 2 of the cats, and is terrified of the third cat.

Mark

88 posted on 09/28/2006 6:51:13 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Know your rights

So if you have 600 dollars worth of drugs, then the police can raid your home?


89 posted on 09/28/2006 6:54:06 PM PDT by abovethefray
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To: abovethefray

And how do the cops determine how much you have?


90 posted on 09/28/2006 6:55:06 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: abovethefray

Observe this. How fast over the speed limit should the police issue tickets? Should they issue a ticket at 1 mph over the limit or 10 miles over the limit. after all who knows how fast they may go if they arent stopped.

Priorities need to be established.

These police broke down the door, at 6 am---they always strike early in the morning before their culprit is fully aroused.--They may have shouted Police at the top of their lungs and hit the door. They handcuffed juveniles and killed a dog and made a lot of people angry. they immediately turned this whole block against the police.

$200 bucks for a door another $200 for the dog,$1.50 for the bullet, salaries for the cops $2,000 several patrol cars taken from other duties, and bad publicity all for 60 bucks. Whoever planned this raid should be sent to the boonies working radar for the next year.


91 posted on 09/28/2006 6:55:07 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: elkfersupper
Even a miniature daschund?
92 posted on 09/28/2006 6:55:28 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: elkfersupper

Yes, that would be nice. Probably not gonna happen, tho.
What if you just don't deal drugs out of your house? That is against the law, correct?


93 posted on 09/28/2006 6:56:33 PM PDT by abovethefray
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To: mugs99
Stop it, you're going to offend the weak FReepers here who love their police state because it makes them feel secure!
94 posted on 09/28/2006 6:59:06 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: sgtbono2002

Yep, let's blame the cops for doing their jobs not the criminal. Did I accidentally log onto DU?


95 posted on 09/28/2006 6:59:06 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Sir Gawain
The WOD is a threat to all of us. Of course the police never apologize for busting in at the wrong address.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

96 posted on 09/28/2006 6:59:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: sgtbono2002

Duly observed. So you are saying that a certain amount of illegal drugs should just be overlooked, right?
I would ask you how the police should know, beforehand, what amount of drugs are present?


97 posted on 09/28/2006 7:00:51 PM PDT by abovethefray
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To: Know your rights
And some of the people who agree that it's worth it think they're "conservatives." Nauseating.

"Think" is the key word there.

98 posted on 09/28/2006 7:01:06 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: spunkets

If the dog attacked the police, then it was doing it's job. Dogs are supposed to attack intruders kicking in your door.


99 posted on 09/28/2006 7:01:31 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: abovethefray

Hey! You stole my question from post 90 ;)


100 posted on 09/28/2006 7:02:20 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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