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To: Celtjew Libertarian
They have a unique set of human DNA that sets them apart from every other person on the planet from conception. That DNA in that one celled fertilized egg is the same they'll die with; it defines them as a person. So why not consider a human human from conception?

The only possible reason anyone can possibly have to question the humanity of a baby from conception is so that they can kill it without any guilt or ethical or moral consequences (so they think). If it's not human, it's not murder so let's label it as *not human* so that we can *dispose of it* in any way we see fit. Murder by any other name...

74 posted on 10/10/2006 9:49:08 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
They have a unique set of human DNA that sets them apart from every other person on the planet from conception. That DNA in that one celled fertilized egg is the same they'll die with; it defines them as a person. So why not consider a human human from conception?

Not necessarilly. Identical twins have the same set of human DNA. Yet they are considered different people. Therefore it's not the genetic code that defines them as a person.

The only possible reason anyone can possibly have to question the humanity of a baby from conception is so that they can kill it without any guilt or ethical or moral consequences (so they think). If it's not human, it's not murder so let's label it as *not human* so that we can *dispose of it* in any way we see fit. Murder by any other name...

You're begging the question here. You're assuming the point of conception is what makes it a person. Therefore the only reason to not declare it a person, would be some nefarious intent.

The fact is that Jewish law holds that the fetus is due respect as a potential human, but is not yet a human. The specific basis of this is Exodus 21:22, in which accidentally causing a miscarriage is punished by a fine, but accidentally injuring the mother falls under the old eye-for-an-eye. This clearly indicates that the mother's life is worth more than the fetus.

As noted, a zygote is due respect as a potential human being. As such, abortion as birth control strikes me as savage and I am hesitant to support embryonic stem cell research. However, in the case of IVF -- the attempt to create a child for a couple who could not otherwise have one -- I have only minimal moral scruples.

83 posted on 10/11/2006 7:49:37 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian ("Don't take life so seriously. You'll never get out of it alive." -- Bugs Bunny)
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To: metmom

If "brain activity" is the sole measurement of humanity, then the so-called PVS people can all be killed without remorse.

And then, of course, people can calibrate the various levels of "brain activity" - those that are worthy of life and the lower levels that aren't worthy.


87 posted on 10/11/2006 8:55:51 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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